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The one who holds an opinion that’s roughly in line with the modern scientific understanding of gender differences.

by Veen 8y ago

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
Are you saying that the OP's mom has the opinion she has because she is aware of modern scientific understanding of gender differences? That was not the impression I got from the OP's comment. Not to mention that there seems to be considerable scientific controversy on what this "modern scientific understanding" is -and how else could it be? Science is a debate- I doubt we can settle it by listening to what our moms and dads say.
- dijit 8y ago
  I believe the difference between our comments is that I have never had to discard her words before; thus I'm sharing them and trying to illicit a response which is either contradicting or confirmational. your comment: > My (also single) dad says that men are smarter and more ambitious than women, that womens' place is at home, taking care of the children and that society is broken because women are trying to do the things that men are naturally better at doing and don't want to do what they're good at. Men are smarter at what exactly? Mathematics? Although the question of whether there is a gender difference in math seems like a simple one, the answer is complicated. Overall there are only small differences in boys’ and girls’ math performance; those differences depend on the age and skill level of the student, what type of math they are attempting and how big of a dissimilarity is needed to say that boys’ and girls’ math performance is truly different. Ambitious? Again, Ambitious at what? travelling the world? starting and sustaining a family? or is it solely on what dollar amount is ascribed to an hour of your day? A womans place is at home is about as sexist an argument I have ever heard. By that logic my "place" is running around the jungle with a spear? please don't argue such bad faith. If I were to try to dig into what your argument actually is then I would assume you dislike my comment because it leans heavily on what my mother said. We're I arguing in bad faith I would probably say that you're rejecting her logic so outrightly because she is a woman. But I'm going to try to argue something else. I'm going to ask what smart and ambitious mean mean to you.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
    I don't know what my dad meant by "smart" and "ambitious". I assumed he meant what most people do. Conversely, I don't know what your mom meant by "how women think about things". How do women think about things? I mean- according to your mom. You report her saying and seem to agree with it. Do you know what she means? Edit: Do I really need to make it clear I disagree with my dad? I'm a woman. Is it very likely I reported here what my dad says to argue that I'm less smart and less ambitious than a man?
    - dijit 8y ago
      > How do women think about things? I mean- according to your mom. You report her saying and seem to agree with it. Do you know what she means? I don't believe I ever argued that I understood women? I Merely stated that on average women differ from men and that it's no less valuable- I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I believe that I know how women think. It's genuinely impossible to know how all women think just like it's impossible to know how all _people_ think.
      - YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
        >> I don't believe I ever argued that I understood. But you report her words here and you seem to agree with her. If you don't understand what she means, how can you agree with her? And why report her words if you don't know what she means?
        dijit 8y ago
        Oh I understand your comment now, I was completely thrown off by the mention of "women" in general. I believe I clearly understood my mothers intent here, I am comfortable defending the statement, where am I ambiguous in my understanding? I can call her if you want me to confirm but in my opinion her words were incredibly concise and clear.
        YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago

The one who holds an opinion that’s roughly in line with the modern scientific understanding of gender differences.

by Veen 8y ago

The one who holds an opinion that’s roughly in line with the modern scientific understanding of gender differences.

Are you saying that the OP's mom has the opinion she has because she is aware of modern scientific understanding of gender differences? That was not the impression I got from the OP's comment. Not to mention that there seems to be considerable scientific controversy on what this "modern scientific understanding" is -and how else could it be? Science is a debate- I doubt we can settle it by listening to what our moms and dads say.

dijit 8y ago
I believe the difference between our comments is that I have never had to discard her words before; thus I'm sharing them and trying to illicit a response which is either contradicting or confirmational. your comment: > My (also single) dad says that men are smarter and more ambitious than women, that womens' place is at home, taking care of the children and that society is broken because women are trying to do the things that men are naturally better at doing and don't want to do what they're good at. Men are smarter at what exactly? Mathematics? Although the question of whether there is a gender difference in math seems like a simple one, the answer is complicated. Overall there are only small differences in boys’ and girls’ math performance; those differences depend on the age and skill level of the student, what type of math they are attempting and how big of a dissimilarity is needed to say that boys’ and girls’ math performance is truly different. Ambitious? Again, Ambitious at what? travelling the world? starting and sustaining a family? or is it solely on what dollar amount is ascribed to an hour of your day? A womans place is at home is about as sexist an argument I have ever heard. By that logic my "place" is running around the jungle with a spear? please don't argue such bad faith. If I were to try to dig into what your argument actually is then I would assume you dislike my comment because it leans heavily on what my mother said. We're I arguing in bad faith I would probably say that you're rejecting her logic so outrightly because she is a woman. But I'm going to try to argue something else. I'm going to ask what smart and ambitious mean mean to you.
- YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
  I don't know what my dad meant by "smart" and "ambitious". I assumed he meant what most people do. Conversely, I don't know what your mom meant by "how women think about things". How do women think about things? I mean- according to your mom. You report her saying and seem to agree with it. Do you know what she means? Edit: Do I really need to make it clear I disagree with my dad? I'm a woman. Is it very likely I reported here what my dad says to argue that I'm less smart and less ambitious than a man?
  - dijit 8y ago
    > How do women think about things? I mean- according to your mom. You report her saying and seem to agree with it. Do you know what she means? I don't believe I ever argued that I understood women? I Merely stated that on average women differ from men and that it's no less valuable- I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I believe that I know how women think. It's genuinely impossible to know how all women think just like it's impossible to know how all _people_ think.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
      >> I don't believe I ever argued that I understood. But you report her words here and you seem to agree with her. If you don't understand what she means, how can you agree with her? And why report her words if you don't know what she means?
      - dijit 8y ago
        Oh I understand your comment now, I was completely thrown off by the mention of "women" in general. I believe I clearly understood my mothers intent here, I am comfortable defending the statement, where am I ambiguous in my understanding? I can call her if you want me to confirm but in my opinion her words were incredibly concise and clear.
        YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago