> Reminds me of client-side JS frameworks. Or Electron apps. Even big framework web apps on a core 2 duo running old Firefox, that is nowhere as bad as early J

> Reminds me of client-side JS frameworks. Or Electron apps. Even big framework web apps on a core 2 duo running old Firefox, that is nowhere as bad as early Java trying to run something as a web applet. I remember staring at that crazy Java applet load spinner and hating Java, and this was already in the early 2000s (on the first white iBook running Mac OS 9). It would have been much worse 7 years earlier. It was really just the JVM’s startup time and the clunky AWT-based UI that made Java lose on web clients. Flash easily dethroned Java there because it started almost instantaneously and could do fancy animations (recall dial-up speeds meant video wasn’t an option).