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Well, it's quite hypocritical for us to dictate to China that they shouldn't be selling goods with a >neutral carbon footprint no? A discussion on historical re

by KyleOS 7y ago

Well, it's quite hypocritical for us to dictate to China that they shouldn't be selling goods with a >neutral carbon footprint no? A discussion on historical responsibility matters, with rich nations having emitted about 80% of the CO2 from fossil fuel combustion, which means roughly 80% of the gas heating the atmosphere today came from the developed northern countries. Rich nations are developed enough to reduce our reliance at a faster and more efficient rate.

justaguyhere 7y ago
We are all to blame. But what good blaming each other is going to do now? We are at a critical situation now. We should move past blaming the west, the east, the baby boomers ... whatever. And spend our collective brain power in fixing the problem instead. Or, as George Carlin joked, the earth will still be here, it is just us that would be gone
- mempko 7y ago
  The only reason to blame is that we have this system where people get digital points and use these digital points to buy stuff. Everyone will keep asking, how are we going to have enough digital points to solve this problem!
nothrabannosir 7y ago
Sure, it’s incredibly hypocrite. We are hyperhypocrites. The biggest of all. Can we now move on and do something about climate change? Or are we so gung ho on blameculture that we would rather respectfully stay silent while the newcomers take their sweet time repeating our mistakes, destroying the earth in the process? It would be unfair if they didn’t get their turn at destroying our planet from within, after all. We are far too slowly realising the magnitude of the issue. There is no time to awkwardly “you first no you first” at the door while the damage is compounding. We made a mistake. Yes. Let’s not stick our head in the sand just because that’s the polite thing to do, now, please. (edit: I should have counted to 10 before posting that :) sorry. to clarify: my issue is purely with the focus on hypocrisy. I find it often drives us from a solution rather than towards one. the less we focus on whose goat was originally insulted by whose grandpa, the more readily the village can put aside its strife and work together to stem the rising tide.)
- dugluak 7y ago
  Solution is simple. Developed nations should pay more price and do more than other nations. That will take care of "hypocrisy" allegations.
- ummonk 7y ago
  The developing nations would happily sign up if the developed nations made substantial transfer payments (read: trillions of dollars a year) to them in exchange for developing countries reducing their CO2 emissions. If the developed nations are serious about fighting climate change, that's what they'd be doing.

by KyleOS 7y ago

justaguyhere 7y ago

We are all to blame. But what good blaming each other is going to do now? We are at a critical situation now. We should move past blaming the west, the east, the baby boomers ... whatever. And spend our collective brain power in fixing the problem instead. Or, as George Carlin joked, the earth will still be here, it is just us that would be gone

mempko 7y ago
The only reason to blame is that we have this system where people get digital points and use these digital points to buy stuff. Everyone will keep asking, how are we going to have enough digital points to solve this problem!

nothrabannosir 7y ago

Sure, it’s incredibly hypocrite. We are hyperhypocrites. The biggest of all. Can we now move on and do something about climate change? Or are we so gung ho on blameculture that we would rather respectfully stay silent while the newcomers take their sweet time repeating our mistakes, destroying the earth in the process? It would be unfair if they didn’t get their turn at destroying our planet from within, after all. We are far too slowly realising the magnitude of the issue. There is no time to awkwardly “you first no you first” at the door while the damage is compounding. We made a mistake. Yes. Let’s not stick our head in the sand just because that’s the polite thing to do, now, please. (edit: I should have counted to 10 before posting that :) sorry. to clarify: my issue is purely with the focus on hypocrisy. I find it often drives us from a solution rather than towards one. the less we focus on whose goat was originally insulted by whose grandpa, the more readily the village can put aside its strife and work together to stem the rising tide.)

dugluak 7y ago
Solution is simple. Developed nations should pay more price and do more than other nations. That will take care of "hypocrisy" allegations.
ummonk 7y ago
The developing nations would happily sign up if the developed nations made substantial transfer payments (read: trillions of dollars a year) to them in exchange for developing countries reducing their CO2 emissions. If the developed nations are serious about fighting climate change, that's what they'd be doing.