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What's the difficulty in having outbound passport control as exists in Schengen area in the EU and in Australia, and much of Asia? What am I missing here?

• dogma1138 8y ago
  EU has facial recognition at passport control in every airport, that’s the whole point of only having biometric passports and legislating “smart border” laws. https://www.gemalto.com/govt/coesys/eborder/entry-exit-system https://www.gemalto.com/govt/coesys/eborder/entry-exit-syste...
  • xmodem 8y ago
    Interesting link, but I think you misunderstand my question. There are both automated and manual queues at most EU airports (the airport where I live doesn't have automated queues which I must say is quite annoying) but when departing Shengen, you have to show your passport to verify your identity - either to a facial recognition machine or to a human. That's not what happens at US airports presently, and from the article it doesn't read like they're going to start doing that. It reads like they're going to put cameras up and search a database of photos collected from passports on entry, which I must say makes zero sense. Why not check the person presented against the document they are carrying?
    • dogma1138 8y ago
      In many EU airports it's a mix of both, you have to give a passport to a human then you have a silly spot on the ground where you stand and have your picture taken. The human is there to verify non biometric passports but the picture is taken anyhow and is likely compared against a DB as well. This is because the full effect of the legislation hasn't been implemented yet, IIRC all Schengen entry visas will require a biometric passport after 2020 or 2022. Once that happens there is little reason to keep humans in place other than for assistance.
      • vinay427 8y ago
        That would in no way replace most humans. That's not how visas work in virtually every country. Humans are there not just to verify identity but to verify that a person should enter. For example, if they sound like they may work on a visitor visa, or may overstay their visa, they may not be granted entry. Furthermore, for verifying entry, I fail to see how face detection biometric devices could ensure that the person walking through is the one being photographed, unless there are other humans in place or far more intelligent systems. Someone could hold up a sufficiently well-crafted picture, bring someone else to be photographed instead of them, etc.
• geggam 8y ago
  Difference being the EU doesnt have a 4th amendment. The govt searching everyone with no warrant is a bit of an over reach. They are supposed to use the 3rd party loophole and pay some corporation for the date. In the US everything with a profit seems to be legal * some sarcasm is in this post
  • odensc 8y ago
    The 4th amendment doesn't matter in this case because US citizens don't have to participate in biometric collection. > ... CBP does not require U.S. Citizens or biometrically exempt aliens to have their photos taken when entering or exiting the country. [0] Though, you'll still probably be subjected to an inordinate amount of inconvenience and suspicion by choosing to opt-out. [0]: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/biometric-exit-faqs https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/biometric-exit-faqs
    • geggam 8y ago
      Saying people aren't required is being facetious. A right is infringed when you have to do something extra to exercise it. Pretending otherwise is giving up a right.
• jdsully 8y ago
  Every airport would have to be renovated. Airlines would lose significant flexibility in which Gates their planes can depart from. On a lesser level it would feel a bit intrusive as there’s a right to leave the country.