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Regardless of any technical merit or reasoning, one big advantage is that Javascript/WASM is not controlled by any one large company or organization. This prov

by e1ven 7y ago

Regardless of any technical merit or reasoning, one big advantage is that Javascript/WASM is not controlled by any one large company or organization. This provides substantial differentiation from .Net/Java/Flash/etc. That said, this advantage risks diminishing if Google's influence continues to grow.

dmitriid 7y ago
> Javascript/WASM is not controlled by any one large company or organization It’s disproportionally affected by Google.
- ashleyn 7y ago
  Exactly, did we ever move beyond monoliths dominating a standard or did they simply evolve to calling something "open" while exerting disproportionate influence on the standards body?
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  Given that Mozilla has done tons of WASM work, and that one of the earliest implementors was Rust, comparing WASM to Oracle's iron fist over the JVM doesn't seem to jive with reality...
  - dmitriid 7y ago
    I didn’t say Mozilla, I said Google. I didn’t say iron fist, I said disproportionately affected.
    - BubRoss 7y ago
      And it isn't true, because Mozilla is very involved, and every browser engine will have to get on board.
      - dmitriid 7y ago
        First and foremost Chrome has to get onboard. Hardly anyone cares if Mozilla implements anything. A few people will care if Safari does. Edge is out if the picture and is being replaced by Chromium (aka Chrome). On WebAssembly specifically. Here’s WebAssembly working group: https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=101196&order=org&public=1 https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=101196&order=o... I count 18 people from Google, and only one from Mozilla. The second largest representation is from Microsoft (8 people), but their input is now Chrome/Chromium input.
  - blacksmith_tb 7y ago
    Jive != jibe[1] (but agreed about Moz's role in WASM) 1: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/jive-jibe-gibe https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/jive-jibe-gibe
  - TimTheTinker 7y ago
    > Oracle's iron fist over the JVM Still doesn't compare to the Sun God and his silicon fist. (With apologies to Steve Yegge.)

by e1ven 7y ago

dmitriid 7y ago

> Javascript/WASM is not controlled by any one large company or organization It’s disproportionally affected by Google.

ashleyn 7y ago
Exactly, did we ever move beyond monoliths dominating a standard or did they simply evolve to calling something "open" while exerting disproportionate influence on the standards body?
vorpalhex 7y ago
Given that Mozilla has done tons of WASM work, and that one of the earliest implementors was Rust, comparing WASM to Oracle's iron fist over the JVM doesn't seem to jive with reality...
- dmitriid 7y ago
  I didn’t say Mozilla, I said Google. I didn’t say iron fist, I said disproportionately affected.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    And it isn't true, because Mozilla is very involved, and every browser engine will have to get on board.
    - dmitriid 7y ago
      First and foremost Chrome has to get onboard. Hardly anyone cares if Mozilla implements anything. A few people will care if Safari does. Edge is out if the picture and is being replaced by Chromium (aka Chrome). On WebAssembly specifically. Here’s WebAssembly working group: https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=101196&order=org&public=1 https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=101196&order=o... I count 18 people from Google, and only one from Mozilla. The second largest representation is from Microsoft (8 people), but their input is now Chrome/Chromium input.
- blacksmith_tb 7y ago
  Jive != jibe[1] (but agreed about Moz's role in WASM) 1: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/jive-jibe-gibe https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/jive-jibe-gibe
- TimTheTinker 7y ago
  > Oracle's iron fist over the JVM Still doesn't compare to the Sun God and his silicon fist. (With apologies to Steve Yegge.)