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It will reach balance. We went from all bad to all good, which was necessary to reintroduce the drug into a society that irrationally rejected all aspects of it

It will reach balance. We went from all bad to all good, which was necessary to reintroduce the drug into a society that irrationally rejected all aspects of it. Once it has settled, we will be able to talk about its problems again. My personal pet peeve is hearing there is no addiction. I sold pot for years and some of my clients were definitely showing all the signs of addiction. My guess is that as humans, we can get addicted to pretty much anything as long as we can use it to cope with the hard parts of life.

hnzix 7y ago
> My personnal pet peeve is hearing there is no addiction. I sold pot for years and some of my clients were definitly showing all the signs of addiction. Yep, I've had two friends who were heavy smokers and would become horrible fiends if their supply was interrupted. Whereas the rest of my heavy-smoker friends would be annoyed but wouldn't go crazy. It seems to be like alcoholism, it only affects a percentage of users.
- sametmax 7y ago
  I do notice that as well. Quantity is not even the factor, as I do have friends smoking joints several times a day, every day, but cut their supply and they are still charming. On the other hand, cut sugar from me and I'm an asshole during the first 3 days.
hunter2_ 7y ago
I think many folks tend to mean "highly addictive" and "everything else" when actually saying "addictive" and "not." Stuff in the latter category can, indeed, be addictive to a baseline level or thereabouts (likely to small numbers of people; it would be interesting to see if "addicts" blur the categories more).
djakjxnanjak 7y ago
In response to your last sentence - I completely agree. If you ever notice that there’s some behavior that you often perform in response to some difficult thought or physical pain - carefully consider whether that habit is helping you or hurting you.
- sametmax 7y ago
  It's tough to notice those, and when you are engaged in a positive feedback loop, you are already very deep in.
everdev 7y ago
Literally anything can be mentally addicting. I think people are referring to the idea that pot is not physically addicting, meaning that your body won't experience withdrawal symptoms when you come down. Tons of people are habitual smokers though bordering on mental addiction.
- sametmax 7y ago
  Years of meditation lead me to believe than the line between mind and body is not clear at all. E.G: every time you are angry, you clench some part of your body. Well, if you observe yourself when you feel depressed, or stressed, you'll notice your body is full of very unpleasant sensations. They are not illusions, your body is litterally reacting to your toughs all the time, in many subtle and diverse ways. I now deeply believe (I'll admit I have no more evidence than my subjective experience) that many of our abusive substance intakes, be it cigarettes, alcohol, weed or even coffee or sugar, are in part to cope with those unpleasant physical sensations, not just the mental burden. Slowly, you build a physical intolerance to them because you are used to be liberated from them using whatever is substance you abuse. And hence I do think there is a physical addiction as well. E.G: if you can't cope with stress without getting some THC, I don't classify that as only mental, as stress is not a phenomenon that is only in the mind, but affect the entire nervous and hormonal system.
  - everdev 7y ago
    Totally agree. I think there's another class of substances though where withdrawal results in symptoms like fever, vomiting, etc. that are consistent across users regardless of their mental state.

hnzix 7y ago

> My personnal pet peeve is hearing there is no addiction. I sold pot for years and some of my clients were definitly showing all the signs of addiction. Yep, I've had two friends who were heavy smokers and would become horrible fiends if their supply was interrupted. Whereas the rest of my heavy-smoker friends would be annoyed but wouldn't go crazy. It seems to be like alcoholism, it only affects a percentage of users.

sametmax 7y ago
I do notice that as well. Quantity is not even the factor, as I do have friends smoking joints several times a day, every day, but cut their supply and they are still charming. On the other hand, cut sugar from me and I'm an asshole during the first 3 days.

hunter2_ 7y ago

I think many folks tend to mean "highly addictive" and "everything else" when actually saying "addictive" and "not." Stuff in the latter category can, indeed, be addictive to a baseline level or thereabouts (likely to small numbers of people; it would be interesting to see if "addicts" blur the categories more).

djakjxnanjak 7y ago

In response to your last sentence - I completely agree. If you ever notice that there’s some behavior that you often perform in response to some difficult thought or physical pain - carefully consider whether that habit is helping you or hurting you.

sametmax 7y ago
It's tough to notice those, and when you are engaged in a positive feedback loop, you are already very deep in.

everdev 7y ago

Literally anything can be mentally addicting. I think people are referring to the idea that pot is not physically addicting, meaning that your body won't experience withdrawal symptoms when you come down. Tons of people are habitual smokers though bordering on mental addiction.

sametmax 7y ago
Years of meditation lead me to believe than the line between mind and body is not clear at all. E.G: every time you are angry, you clench some part of your body. Well, if you observe yourself when you feel depressed, or stressed, you'll notice your body is full of very unpleasant sensations. They are not illusions, your body is litterally reacting to your toughs all the time, in many subtle and diverse ways. I now deeply believe (I'll admit I have no more evidence than my subjective experience) that many of our abusive substance intakes, be it cigarettes, alcohol, weed or even coffee or sugar, are in part to cope with those unpleasant physical sensations, not just the mental burden. Slowly, you build a physical intolerance to them because you are used to be liberated from them using whatever is substance you abuse. And hence I do think there is a physical addiction as well. E.G: if you can't cope with stress without getting some THC, I don't classify that as only mental, as stress is not a phenomenon that is only in the mind, but affect the entire nervous and hormonal system.
- everdev 7y ago
  Totally agree. I think there's another class of substances though where withdrawal results in symptoms like fever, vomiting, etc. that are consistent across users regardless of their mental state.