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It's not always that easy. Look at what's going on in the US right now for example...

steve19 8y ago
The US political situation is not even remotely comparable, ignoring the plundering of the economy by the government and military, in 2020 or by 2024 at the latest, the US WILL have a different president. Absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt.
- votepaunchy 8y ago
  Presidents are inaugurated the year after the election, so ‘21 or ‘25.
- deleted 8y ago
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EdSharkey 8y ago
Apples to oranges comparison, US citizens still have their freedoms. Some people are just irritated in the US because politics and because the deep state is losing its grip. Americans are not dying from starvation or being gunned down by the military for protesting the government.
- NotSammyHagar 8y ago
  There is no deep state. There is the rule of law, made by our representatives and questions are decided by courts. Regardless of one person's views, we make choices based on a legal basis.
  - internet_user 8y ago
    You really believe: 1) laws are never applied selectively 2) there are no secret laws and secret interpretations 3) parallel construction does not happen ?
    - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
      No course there is no perfection in our human choices. Laws are sometimes applied selectively. That doesn't mean you just give up and say it's all bad. There shouldn't be secret laws. There are secret interpretations, I hate that. It doesn't mean I just give up and say everything is bad. I also think parallel construction is very very harmful. Again, knowing it exists and being against it doesn't mean that I am giving up on the general rule of law.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    Not really, remember how it turned out that the NSA was breaking the law? Nobody is really a first-world country, especially when the public isn't watching. The US is just first world more often than average. It probably has something to do with the fact that the public watches most of what's going on, at least on the basic level. Anywhere the public is confused (often the case for consumer and environmental issues) or deliberately kept in the dark (you-know-who) corruption runs rampant.
  - EdSharkey 7y ago
    If and when the FISA applications against Carter Page and others in the Trump campaign and transition team are declassified by a vengeful Trump, then we'll know whether the Obama administration weaponized the DOJ and FBI against their political opponents or not. After the declassification, let's discuss about whether there is a failing "deep state" or not. Are you curious to know how many months into the 18-month Russian collusion investigation that Special Counsel Mueller knew the pee dossier, partly paid for by the HRC campaign, was an incontrovertible fake? Did Mueller know before or after the midterm elections? Whether you're curious or not, we're going to learn the truth soon. And that truth could be very painful, especially for deep state actors.
    - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
      I don't know why it's relevant when Mueller knew some claims against Trump were fake. He was supposed to thoroughly investigate the issues around it. He wasn't supposed to just go until he found one or more issues not supported by facts. Because there can be some allegations that are true, and some that aren't.
      - EdSharkey 7y ago
        It's relevant if it can be proven there were political motivations in holding those findings until after the midterm elections. It's very relevant if Mueller was aware right at the start of the investigation that the dossier could not be corroborated. It's already been revealed that the FBI wouldn't have sought the FISA without the dossier. It's also been revealed that the FBI had not corroborated any of the dossier prior to filing the FISA application, nor before any of the monthly renewals. What's been revealed so far is sketchy, but maybe it will all work out okay for Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein et al. At this point I'm betting Trump is still going to hit back 10x harder. People think Trump is a joke so they write him off, but he's incredibly powerful given the office. I just assume revenge is coming since Trump is who he is.
  - EdSharkey 7y ago
    Here's an entertaining youtuber that put together some good media montages on the subject of the deep state pushback on Trump: https://youtu.be/waGnHlRIsWM https://youtu.be/waGnHlRIsWM
    - EdSharkey 7y ago
      You gotta watch it though, srsly. Totally accessible and reasonable.
      - EdSharkey 7y ago
        Do you arm yourself with facts or passion? We can ride a bike and chew bubblegum at the same time: Trump can be an odious human being (up to/including being unfit to serve) _and_ his political opponents can commit serious crimes in their efforts to defeat him (up to/including treason.) High-level Obama FBI and intel officials are being investigated for their role in the FISA scandal/lies to congress and most have been removed from their positions. Just don't want you to be shocked (shocked, I tell you!) when deep state perps get frogmarched off to prison.
sadris 8y ago
We don't butcher sewer rats for food in the US...

The US political situation is not even remotely comparable, ignoring the plundering of the economy by the government and military, in 2020 or by 2024 at the latest, the US WILL have a different president. Absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt.

votepaunchy 8y ago
Presidents are inaugurated the year after the election, so ‘21 or ‘25.
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EdSharkey 8y ago

Apples to oranges comparison, US citizens still have their freedoms. Some people are just irritated in the US because politics and because the deep state is losing its grip. Americans are not dying from starvation or being gunned down by the military for protesting the government.

NotSammyHagar 8y ago
There is no deep state. There is the rule of law, made by our representatives and questions are decided by courts. Regardless of one person's views, we make choices based on a legal basis.
- internet_user 8y ago
  You really believe: 1) laws are never applied selectively 2) there are no secret laws and secret interpretations 3) parallel construction does not happen ?
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    No course there is no perfection in our human choices. Laws are sometimes applied selectively. That doesn't mean you just give up and say it's all bad. There shouldn't be secret laws. There are secret interpretations, I hate that. It doesn't mean I just give up and say everything is bad. I also think parallel construction is very very harmful. Again, knowing it exists and being against it doesn't mean that I am giving up on the general rule of law.
- whatshisface 8y ago
  Not really, remember how it turned out that the NSA was breaking the law? Nobody is really a first-world country, especially when the public isn't watching. The US is just first world more often than average. It probably has something to do with the fact that the public watches most of what's going on, at least on the basic level. Anywhere the public is confused (often the case for consumer and environmental issues) or deliberately kept in the dark (you-know-who) corruption runs rampant.
- EdSharkey 7y ago
  If and when the FISA applications against Carter Page and others in the Trump campaign and transition team are declassified by a vengeful Trump, then we'll know whether the Obama administration weaponized the DOJ and FBI against their political opponents or not. After the declassification, let's discuss about whether there is a failing "deep state" or not. Are you curious to know how many months into the 18-month Russian collusion investigation that Special Counsel Mueller knew the pee dossier, partly paid for by the HRC campaign, was an incontrovertible fake? Did Mueller know before or after the midterm elections? Whether you're curious or not, we're going to learn the truth soon. And that truth could be very painful, especially for deep state actors.
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    I don't know why it's relevant when Mueller knew some claims against Trump were fake. He was supposed to thoroughly investigate the issues around it. He wasn't supposed to just go until he found one or more issues not supported by facts. Because there can be some allegations that are true, and some that aren't.
    - EdSharkey 7y ago
      It's relevant if it can be proven there were political motivations in holding those findings until after the midterm elections. It's very relevant if Mueller was aware right at the start of the investigation that the dossier could not be corroborated. It's already been revealed that the FBI wouldn't have sought the FISA without the dossier. It's also been revealed that the FBI had not corroborated any of the dossier prior to filing the FISA application, nor before any of the monthly renewals. What's been revealed so far is sketchy, but maybe it will all work out okay for Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein et al. At this point I'm betting Trump is still going to hit back 10x harder. People think Trump is a joke so they write him off, but he's incredibly powerful given the office. I just assume revenge is coming since Trump is who he is.
- EdSharkey 7y ago
  Here's an entertaining youtuber that put together some good media montages on the subject of the deep state pushback on Trump: https://youtu.be/waGnHlRIsWM https://youtu.be/waGnHlRIsWM
  - EdSharkey 7y ago
    You gotta watch it though, srsly. Totally accessible and reasonable.
    - EdSharkey 7y ago
      Do you arm yourself with facts or passion? We can ride a bike and chew bubblegum at the same time: Trump can be an odious human being (up to/including being unfit to serve) _and_ his political opponents can commit serious crimes in their efforts to defeat him (up to/including treason.) High-level Obama FBI and intel officials are being investigated for their role in the FISA scandal/lies to congress and most have been removed from their positions. Just don't want you to be shocked (shocked, I tell you!) when deep state perps get frogmarched off to prison.

sadris 8y ago

We don't butcher sewer rats for food in the US...