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"HN is here to pass judgement on whether a organization in our industry responded with an appropriate process when an accusation was made." How can it be deter
by pcstl 7y ago
"HN is here to pass judgement on whether a organization in our industry responded with an appropriate process when an accusation was made."
How can it be determined if judgment was appropriate with
absolutely no reference to the facts? That is like saying that we should be able to determine whether it was right or not to imprison a criminal without knowing what crime they committed!
Yes, the "noindex" is an issue, but this feels much bigger than just that.
- floatingatoll 7y agoThere are two sets of facts in play: 1) Something happened between some people. 2) Something happened when an organization associated with them responded. It is totally fine to discuss #2 without discussing #1. They are an organization, not an individual, and their quality of response should remain high regardless of the specifics of #1. The post judges the quality of their response to be unacceptable. That judgement is valid to consider and discuss without regard to the circumstances that causes their response to exist.
- pcstl 7y agoI agree that discussing #1 beyond what is strictly required to be able to assess DC's response would qualify as derailing, however I respectfully disagree that "It is totally fine to discuss #2 without discussing #1". I believe that, to assess the quality of the response, it is required to understand what was the level of severity of the event. How the event should be handled, and hence the response, is a function of the severity of the event. Of course, if we view the response as being to a broader "climate of suspicion" surrounding DC, it can be assessed differently - but it still would require contextual information for assessment, specifically regarding what circumstances have created this climate of suspicion in the first place. While some actions on DataCamp's part - specifically, the noindex tag - are definitely shady, it is difficult to understand whether their response (which seems to be mostly to attempt to reassure the data science community that they are listening and focused on being a positive actor in the community) is appropriate or not without understanding what they are responding to.
- floatingatoll 7y agoI am sorry that you have difficulty evaluating their response without knowing the original story. Unfortunately I will not budge. EDIT: Someone suggested I’ve overstepped here somehow. I don’t understand how but regardless I apologize; it is not my intent to demean nor otherwise speak less of you. We disagree and I wanted to honor that but also close the thread and I may have done so badly.
- pcstl 7y agoNo problem at all. I am not attempting to change your opinion (which I understand is well-reasoned), but to explain my own.