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Most people go with the flow. I'd imagine that this was true also when it came to the torturing of prisoners by America post 9/11. How many refused to go along
by Doubl 7y ago
Most people go with the flow. I'd imagine that this was true also when it came to the torturing of prisoners by America post 9/11. How many refused to go along with that I wonder?
Nazi Germany, like the USA, seems to have been a country where the courts were able to operate with a degree of independence and due process consequently existed to some extent. By contrast I remember solzhenitsyn writing how he would much prefer to end up in the clutches of the Gestapo than the NKVD. You had a chance of the Gestapo releasing you if you managed to persuade them off your innocence whereas your fate was already sealed with the NKVD from the moment they decided to arrest you.
- i_am_proteus 7y agoWas this post intended as sarcasm, or did you actually mean to equate the torture of a small number of prisoners with mass executions of millions of civilians?
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- Doubl 7y agoI never said they were equal. I don't know if anyone was punished for doing it though.
- i_am_proteus 7y agoYour post appears to be apologizing for the actions of Nazi Germany by comparing the Nazi legal system's civil protections with those of the modern-day United States of America. The OP discusses instances where individual Germans refused to follow orders. One example: > By his action to obtain this order, Griese refused the request of the SD to have his men participate in the execution of Jews in his area. >In fact, the SD had shot the 365 Jews themselves while he was on his journey to and from Konigsberg Nazi leadership recognized that mass execution of Jews (and others) by firearm was taking a psychological toll on the Germans being ordered to do so, which is one of the reasons that more abstract, industrial methods (e.g. gas chambers) were developed.
- Doubl 7y agoHow an I apologising for the Nazis? Is it necessary to always preface any remarks in which Nazi Germany and another country may both be referenced with some kind of explanation or risk being called a Nazi apologist? Can we not let the actual arguments speak for themselves? America has tortured people. It has also destroyed Nations it regarded as Savage. How is that an apology for the Nazis?
- pknopf 7y agoDon't encourage him. He obviously likes feeling morally superior.
- i_am_proteus 7y agoPerhaps you misunderstand. This is an issue better approached with logic than with emotion. I draw attention to the parent's false equivalency of Nazi Germany and 21st Century USA. I describe the Nazi regime's recognition of the morale toll on its soldiers of gunning down innocent souls. Himmler himself saw this as an "issue." Conjecture basis the article that the Nazi German legal system is similar to the modern American system is logically fallacious and dangerous insofar as it suggests that Nazism is compatible with contemporary American political and ethical values.
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- fit2rule 7y agoCome on, don't play the game that we are all Americans here. Americans might need to maintain ignorance about it, but most of the rest of the civilised world already knows that America is committing crimes against humanity and war crimes with its widespread extra-judicial rendition program, torture sites around the world, and the 500,000+ innocent human beings murdered in Americas illegal, criminal wars this century. Trying to play it like America isn't the #1 cause of war and destruction in the world is just not going to work. Some of us actually care enough to pay attention and know that the stats are not in Americas' favour, when it comes to elevating ones moral principles with regards to heinous, criminal, illegal acts of war.
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