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[Edit: I wish people would stop voting down the parent. It is a legitimate point of view and down-voting is supposed to express a lack of value, not disagreemen
by seldo 16y ago
[Edit: I wish people would stop voting down the parent. It is a legitimate point of view and down-voting is supposed to express a lack of value, not disagreement with content]
Child pornography is basically the trump card of the pro-censorship argument. Nobody is in favour of it, everybody thinks it's awful, even really passionate freedom-of-speech types often think an "except for child pornography" clause is an allowable compromise.
But the truth is that anybody who wants child pornography on the Internet can already get it, if they try hard enough. Many of us who've worked for large web companies are aware that one of the first forms of abuse that happens to any service that allows image uploading is that it starts getting used to distribute child porn. Shutting down domain names will do nothing because the people who deal in this stuff have been having their shit seized and shut down for years already.
By the same token, DNS is not essential to preventing censorship. We can send each other IP addresses through social networks, distribute shortlinks to servers that change every hour, or any one of a hundred other methods.
The balance to strike is: is censorship of material we think legitimate happening often enough right now that we want to make it easier to route around, knowing that doing so will make it harder to censor stuff that we find universally objectionable? A month ago I'd have said no, but today I'm not so sure. And that's a dangerous consequence of the actions the US government is taking in response to these leaks. By cracking down, they risk provoking a revolution that will make it impossible to control these things in future.
- corin_ 16y agoJust for the record, I'm not saying that my concern would stop me supporting a non-ICANN DNS system, but I don't think that "they can do it anything" means it isn't something worth thinking about in any topic about moving the internet away from governments, even if only regarding DNS systems.
- rimantas 16y ago> down-voting is supposed to express a lack of value, not > disagreement with content Let's face it: we mostly upvote posts we agree with. Then the trouble is, that for the symmetrical acction we must have symmetrical meaning. If I press on the gas and it makes a car to go faster I expect it to go slower when pressing less. If I click up-arrow to express agreement, I expect that down-arrow will express disagreemet. I wish people will continue to vote down to express disagreement and use "flag" to express lack of the value or inapropriate content.
- radu_floricica 16y agoAt the time of the edit, that post might have been in negative numbers. Voting expresses agreement, yes, but any score below 1 should be reserved for troll/frivolous/vulgar posts.
- seldo 16y agoPrecisely why I specified what "down-voting" is for. In my view, the correct score for a valid opinion that nobody else agrees with is 1. I feel up-voting can express both agreement and/or belief that something is valuable.
- trotsky 16y agoIt doesn't seem particularly beneficial to the community to fade out posts simply because a few more people disagree with them than agree with them. Unless you're simply trying to encourage group think, I guess.