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In reality, if you're spending ANY money on healthcare in the US you're getting scammed. The healthcare you'll find in Israel and Europe is the modern standard

In reality, if you're spending ANY money on healthcare in the US you're getting scammed. The healthcare you'll find in Israel and Europe is the modern standard of care and the US is on the opposite side of the spectrum with our corrupt for-profit "healthcare" industry. We pay more for generic crap (generic only has to be 80% as effective as brand) than modern countries pay for 'Made in USA' brand names.

m0zg 8y ago
One thing people miss is, we're paying our doctors _several times_ as much. If that doesn't change (and nobody wants the doctors to earn as much as they do in Europe: there just won't be any doctors), there's really no way to achieve the same cost structure without replacing doctors with something like machine learning in a lot of capacities (radiology/imaging most immediately, other diagnostics in the longer term).
- komali2 8y ago
  > (and nobody wants the doctors to earn as much as they do in Europe: there just won't be any doctors), Why are there doctors in Europe then? As I've read, it doesn't seem that the cost of healthcare is dramatically higher in the USA because we pay our doctors more, it's because of the insurance industry, and how much money people have to spend figuring it out (hospitals have to have staff specifically to deal with it, as their whole job).
  - m0zg 8y ago
    Because coming to the US is a hassle and we'd force them to basically re-qualify to be allowed to practice. Some European doctors do move here and go through the hassle nevertheless. Regarding insurance, I believe since ACA was enacted there's now a limit on how much profit an insurance company can make, as a percentage of the money they pass through. I'm not a specialist in this field, but this seems to have only made matters worse.
    - komali2 8y ago
      >Because coming to the US is a hassle Ok, to be clear, you seem to be suggesting that everyone would live in the USA by default if they could, and the only thing stopping them is inconvenient immigration and the cost of a plane ticket? I feel like I must be misunderstanding you because it seems a bit silly.
      - m0zg 8y ago
        >> you seem to be suggesting that everyone would >> live in the USA by default if they could You're not arguing in good faith. Goodbye.
        komali2 8y ago
        ??? I'm trying to, hence my attempt to clarify. Could you please help me understand what you were saying? I'm trying to read it as anything but how I've restated it, but I genuinely can't. How about this - if America didn't exist, and doctors got paid what they got paid in Europe right now, why are there doctors in Europe?
        beenBoutIT 8y ago
        European doctors aren't in medicine to get rich. A decent number of doctors in the US went into medicine primarily because of the pay.
        komali2 8y ago
        So isn't it reasonable to assume we will still have doctors if the pay is at the level of European doctors then?

m0zg 8y ago

One thing people miss is, we're paying our doctors _several times_ as much. If that doesn't change (and nobody wants the doctors to earn as much as they do in Europe: there just won't be any doctors), there's really no way to achieve the same cost structure without replacing doctors with something like machine learning in a lot of capacities (radiology/imaging most immediately, other diagnostics in the longer term).

komali2 8y ago
> (and nobody wants the doctors to earn as much as they do in Europe: there just won't be any doctors), Why are there doctors in Europe then? As I've read, it doesn't seem that the cost of healthcare is dramatically higher in the USA because we pay our doctors more, it's because of the insurance industry, and how much money people have to spend figuring it out (hospitals have to have staff specifically to deal with it, as their whole job).
- m0zg 8y ago
  Because coming to the US is a hassle and we'd force them to basically re-qualify to be allowed to practice. Some European doctors do move here and go through the hassle nevertheless. Regarding insurance, I believe since ACA was enacted there's now a limit on how much profit an insurance company can make, as a percentage of the money they pass through. I'm not a specialist in this field, but this seems to have only made matters worse.
  - komali2 8y ago
    >Because coming to the US is a hassle Ok, to be clear, you seem to be suggesting that everyone would live in the USA by default if they could, and the only thing stopping them is inconvenient immigration and the cost of a plane ticket? I feel like I must be misunderstanding you because it seems a bit silly.
    - m0zg 8y ago
      >> you seem to be suggesting that everyone would >> live in the USA by default if they could You're not arguing in good faith. Goodbye.
      - komali2 8y ago
        ??? I'm trying to, hence my attempt to clarify. Could you please help me understand what you were saying? I'm trying to read it as anything but how I've restated it, but I genuinely can't. How about this - if America didn't exist, and doctors got paid what they got paid in Europe right now, why are there doctors in Europe?
        beenBoutIT 8y ago
        European doctors aren't in medicine to get rich. A decent number of doctors in the US went into medicine primarily because of the pay.
        komali2 8y ago
        So isn't it reasonable to assume we will still have doctors if the pay is at the level of European doctors then?