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The problem with how we treat the poorest people in the country is that we have a fair number of completely psychotic people who spoil the whole social support
by narrator 8y ago
The problem with how we treat the poorest people in the country is that we have a fair number of completely psychotic people who spoil the whole social support network for everyone else by requiring 100x the help everyone else does because they are actively destroying the facilities and people that try to help them.
In Western Europe these people are likely held against their will in mental institutions, but in America, especially in San Francisco we'd rather they be out walking around off their meds if they haven't murdered anyone yet. There are homeless people who regularly randomly assault people for no reason and as long as they don't use a weapon they are back out on the street in 24 hours.
- michaelvoz 8y agoSF is a open air mental asylum and based on what I see, I think London Breed wants it that way.
- lrem 8y agoWhy is it such an expensive place to live in then?
- michaelvoz 8y agoArtificial market constraints through rent control?
- AFascistWorld 8y agoCoz international speculators don't care about the environment.
- quickthrower2 8y agoCalifornian software is eating the world
- jetrink 8y ago> especially in San Francisco we'd rather they be out walking around It's not a question of preference. Our constitution is incompatible with treatment programs that involve indefinite imprisonment when the individual is not a serious threat to himself or others. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addington_v._Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addington_v._Texas
- ben_w 8y agoI think (2) is the more important of those two, as it increased the burden of proof. After all, narrator wrote “people who regularly randomly assault people for no reason“, which doesn’t sound like a mere harmless delusion.
- scottlocklin 8y agoFunny how it wasn't a problem in America until they made "One flew over the cuckoos nest."
- Moru 8y agoI'm guessing it wasn't a problem that you talked about, just like everywhere else.
- Carpetsmoker 8y agoI'm not sure if laws in Western Europe are fundamentally different. In the Netherlands the law[1][2] states you can only be involuntarily committed if you're a danger for themselves or others and if this is the only remaining solution. It seems roughly analogous to those two SCOTUS cases, although details and/or practical implementations may differ. [1]: https://www.ggznederland.nl/themas/gedwongen-civiel https://www.ggznederland.nl/themas/gedwongen-civiel [2]: https://www.dwangindezorg.nl/rechten/wetten/wet-bopz https://www.dwangindezorg.nl/rechten/wetten/wet-bopz
- stefanfisk 8y agoIt’s the same in Sweden, I think most of Europe is like this since at least 30 years.
- dr_dshiv 8y agoAny other refs on how the Netherlands deals with homeless? I am shocked by how few homeless there are.
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