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Is this an official statement from Mozilla? If understood right, it says that because every tracking site already does, we will put it inside the browser. It s

Is this an official statement from Mozilla? If understood right, it says that because every tracking site already does, we will put it inside the browser. It seems like one day Nike will say, we need to send the location of every step you take, where you're heading and the speed so we can make better shoes. And people just, yes, seems fair to me.

jkartchner 8y ago
The problem is sites don't need ping to do their tracking. In the past, search engines would just force a redirect to gather all the metrics they want for which link you go to. Most browsers put ping in as default because it improves responsiveness by not forcing the redirect. Firefox simply hasn't changed that yet. It hardly changes their privacy position, IMO. Check out the latest episode of Security Now, which talks about this. https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
geocar 8y ago
It's a little different. It's more like Nike are fitting their stores with a special floor that track people walking around in the store to figure out where people go and what they find interesting. There are many vendors of these special floors, and they offer different kinds of reporting to Nike. At the moment, Nike can't use multiple vendors without careful testing because the floors can potentially interfere with eachother. Sometimes the interactions only occur in extreme cases, such as massively overweight or underweight individuals. Nike may not be floor experts and not know how to to this. It also makes the floor "thicker" with multiple vendors special floors layered on top of each other, which might feel weird walking on. These vendors don't just sell to Nike, they sell to lots of stores. Obviously they don't share Nike's "data" with ASIC but each of them have to deal with the fact that even if they solve the problem for Nike's chosen set of vendors, they'll have to do it again for ASIC as well. So, the floor vendors got together and proposed a mechanism whereby they can all work together. No new privacy leak, no new information is being generated, or even being transmitted to anyone who didn't already have the ability to collect it, but the implementation is simpler, and user experience is better.
- klez 8y ago
  Or, you can make this "floor tracking" so difficult and circumventable that people start to question it and decide that new pair of shiny shoes doesn't deserve the added hassle of walking in them. There's that producer of floors that stands against these forms of tracking and says "go to the stores that buy from us, they won't track you!" So this benefits the stores that but from them, the floor maker and the store's patrons. But this analogy broke down pretty soon this way, didn't it?

jkartchner 8y ago

The problem is sites don't need ping to do their tracking. In the past, search engines would just force a redirect to gather all the metrics they want for which link you go to. Most browsers put ping in as default because it improves responsiveness by not forcing the redirect. Firefox simply hasn't changed that yet. It hardly changes their privacy position, IMO. Check out the latest episode of Security Now, which talks about this. https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

geocar 8y ago

It's a little different. It's more like Nike are fitting their stores with a special floor that track people walking around in the store to figure out where people go and what they find interesting. There are many vendors of these special floors, and they offer different kinds of reporting to Nike. At the moment, Nike can't use multiple vendors without careful testing because the floors can potentially interfere with eachother. Sometimes the interactions only occur in extreme cases, such as massively overweight or underweight individuals. Nike may not be floor experts and not know how to to this. It also makes the floor "thicker" with multiple vendors special floors layered on top of each other, which might feel weird walking on. These vendors don't just sell to Nike, they sell to lots of stores. Obviously they don't share Nike's "data" with ASIC but each of them have to deal with the fact that even if they solve the problem for Nike's chosen set of vendors, they'll have to do it again for ASIC as well. So, the floor vendors got together and proposed a mechanism whereby they can all work together. No new privacy leak, no new information is being generated, or even being transmitted to anyone who didn't already have the ability to collect it, but the implementation is simpler, and user experience is better.

klez 8y ago
Or, you can make this "floor tracking" so difficult and circumventable that people start to question it and decide that new pair of shiny shoes doesn't deserve the added hassle of walking in them. There's that producer of floors that stands against these forms of tracking and says "go to the stores that buy from us, they won't track you!" So this benefits the stores that but from them, the floor maker and the store's patrons. But this analogy broke down pretty soon this way, didn't it?