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Is the semiconductor industry particularly vulnerable to China for some reason? I am obviously in a news bubble but it looks like it's always the silicon techno
by raziel2701 8y ago
Is the semiconductor industry particularly vulnerable to China for some reason? I am obviously in a news bubble but it looks like it's always the silicon technology companies that have these issues.
- foobiekr 8y agoYou should consider that semiconductors make it more obvious than, say, software IP theft.
- wrong_variable 8y agoChina looks at things that US / EU have a monopoly in.
- notable_user 8y agoNot just Silicon Valley, Boeing has had similar problems. I imagine every industry with manufacturing has been affected.
- sephamorr 8y agoThere's probably plenty of bias, but a large part of the China2025 plan is to achieve dominance in semiconductors. Since the domestic chip industry needs to catch up and the intelligence services are not above IP theft, this isn't surprising to me.
- metildaa 8y agoBy 2025 they might figure out newer processes than 14nm, but even Intel and Global Foundries has hit a wall at 14nm. Samsung, TSMC and IBM are the only companies with productive sub-14nm fabs.
- ip26 8y agoWhich is a fascinating lever from a global politics point of view. People theorize that the US might not come to Taiwan's aid, but how could we not? That fab seems too important a chess piece to surrender willingly.
- atq2119 8y agoIBM no longer has fabs. They sold theirs to GlobalFoundries a few years ago.
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- hourislate 8y agoIt's not just technology. Every industry has suffered. All the steel recipes have been stolen costing smelters billions in R&D expenses and decades of time. Chemical Industry has suffered, Auto, etc. The end game is to dominate everything. I suppose the best approach is to avoid doing business with them. Perhaps the current US Administrations position concerning China warrants wide spread support.
- Nerdfest 8y agoWell, I"m almost happy about the steel recipes. I'm getting really tired of Chinese-made screws and bolts that almost seem to be made of plastic.
- Mediterraneo10 8y ago> I'm getting really tired of Chinese-made screws and bolts that almost seem to be made of plastic. Supposedly, in the cheapest Chinese-produced goods, it sometimes happens that screws are made not entirely from metal, but are just a metal casing around sand.
- xenihn 8y agoIt's too late to do anything. Those at the top stand to profit by cooperating. There is no reason to expect them to act against their best interests. I do think it's worth considering whether this will result in a better world overall. It's a loss for many Americans, but perhaps a net-gain for humanity as a whole? If China is able to drive the price of high-quality goods down on a global scale, that might be a good thing, right? I'd like to be optimistic about all of this. I'm hoping that most of us on HN in the USA will ultimately benefit from us, for lack of a better term, losing.
- jrobn 8y agoI expect massive global climate change and food shortages before China can use the IP it stole to dominate “everything”. Dust to dust.
- ummonk 8y agoSemiconductor technology is one of the most difficult to setup a manufacturing base for. It is the last piece of the advanced manufacturing puzzle that an industrializing country would pick up, and the one where trade secrets / IP would be most valuable.
- jplayer01 8y agoNo, IP theft issues have been affecting pretty much everybody with valuable IP. Mostly semiconductor news gets linked on HN though, so that's why there seems to be a skew in that direction. Most people here only seem to be aware of these, even if plenty of other companies are affected too.