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No one deserves anything, you get what you can get. If one wants to learn in the best environment, one usually needs to go to university and _pay_ for the educ
by dsabanin 8y ago
No one deserves anything, you get what you can get.
If one wants to learn in the best environment, one usually needs to go to university and _pay_ for the education. To go into a highly competitive industry, get _paid_ (usually quite well) and complain that someone didn't teach you the way you'd like to be taught is some kind of astronomical entitlement that I can't even begin to comprehend.
- brandall10 8y agoA CS education has little to do with software engineering itself. Beyond that, I disagree with your basic assertion. It's a sign of team maturity to encourage mentor/mentee relationships.
- dsabanin 8y agoI agree on both points. Yet disagree that you can expect to be taught while being payed and complain.
- brandall10 8y agoI agree that you can't expect anything. The job is the job, you're there to give value, not take it. But, if you end up at an org that has their stuff together - if you're coming from nothing maybe you show a high aptitude for programming - it is something that should be an aspect of the experience.
- dnautics 8y agoNo one 'deserves' anything, but it's worth noting that it's not impossible to create fast-moving and nurturing environments, and maybe trying to learn how to do that for your peers.
- enjo 8y ago"Deserve" means to show qualities that are worthy of either reward or punishment. This poster is someone who took the initiative to get better and therefore showed qualities worthy of reward. They absolutely deserve better than they got.
- dnautics 8y ago> They absolutely deserve better than they got. How can you be so sure? You don't know what the compensation of the GP was, you don't know that they weren't / won't be written a stellar letter of recommendation (or better yet introductions) that will land them directly into coveted senior dev land, you don't know that the experience forged won't make the GP an effective startup founder, etc, etc etc.
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- monksy 8y agoThey need to have the skills to ask for a mentor and identify what they'll get out of it.
- munchbunny 8y agoThis expectation vs. entitlement discussion is just quibbling over semantics. I don't expect to be mentored, but I won't give an employer the time of day if I don't see myself growing in the job, so it's the same effect. Personal/professional growth is table stakes. You can pick however you want to frame it. It's the same end effect: if I work for you and not as a founder/C suite, mentorship on the job is a baseline requirement when we negotiate the terms.
- danmaz74 8y agoReplace "deserve" with "can find somewhere else".
- mikeash 8y agoLearning on the job is mutually beneficial. The employee learns useful skills, and the employer gets a more useful employee. Tossing people into the deep end and letting them figure it out is short-sighted. We should expect more, even if just for the employer to do what’s best for them.