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> that plan works, right up until a US Coast Guard cutter pulls up and sends over a boarding party. Why would they do that? Its not illegal to run a cruise sh

by stale2002 8y ago

> that plan works, right up until a US Coast Guard cutter pulls up and sends over a boarding party. Why would they do that? Its not illegal to run a cruise ship. Its also not illegal to pretend that you are a nation. Its even not illegal to live on a boat, out in the ocean! Are you aware that ships travel into and out of the US all of the time, and none of them have to worry about the coast guard invading them?

sireat 8y ago
Why wouldn't they do it? Coast Guard (of various nations) board ships all the time for various reasons. As soon as these seasteaders are deemed a threat/annoyance to the state they are goners. Maybe they did not pay tax on their crypto earnings, maybe they have an anti-state blog, maybe they produce copious amounts of LSD, etc etc. At the end of the day, the man/state with the biggest boomstick wins.
- stale2002 8y ago
  Why wouldn't they do that? Well they dont do that right now. There are lots of ships in the ocean, right at this moment, and the US coast guard isn't going around sinking any of them. Sure, if they enter their waters, and try to break their countries laws, then it might happen. But this is instead about international waters. People travel around the world, on boats, all of the time. I could get on a boat, right now, and travel into the ocean, and I'm not going to have to worry about the coast guard sinking me.
  - arwineap 8y ago
    Pleasure craft get boarded all the time by the coast guard. [0][1][2][3][4] Often on trips from the west coast to hawaii, often on trips sailing north from southern california. The coast guard, can at any time board / search your vessel without any probable cause or warrants. Even in international waters. It's on you to make sure you're not doing anything illegal that would warrant a seizure of your vessel and all the property on it. ( again, even in international waters ) You're right though, they likely won't sink it. [0] https://www.uscg.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=luZU9g1tNsc%3D&portalid=0 https://www.uscg.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=luZU9g1tNsc%3... [1] https://www.sailfeed.com/2012/10/coast-guard-boardings-and-your-fourth-amendment-rights-part-1/ https://www.sailfeed.com/2012/10/coast-guard-boardings-and-y... [2]https://mblb.com/admiralty-maritime/the-fourth-amendment-rights-vs-boarding-power-of-the-united-states-coast-guard/ https://mblb.com/admiralty-maritime/the-fourth-amendment-rig... [3] https://www.getmyboat.com/resources/tips-for-renters/638/what-to-expect-during-a-coast-guard-boarding/ https://www.getmyboat.com/resources/tips-for-renters/638/wha... [4] https://coastguardnews.com/what-to-expect-during-a-coast-guard-boarding/2016/05/26/ https://coastguardnews.com/what-to-expect-during-a-coast-gua...
lern_too_spel 8y ago
Are you aware that those cruise ships that travel into and out of the US must be registered to a flag state, whose laws they must comply with? Once they are in the US, they must comply with US law.
- jonathankoren 8y ago
  Even Sea Sheppard[0] flies flags of internationally recognized sovereign nations, along side more dubious flags such as the Iroquois Confederacy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune%27s_Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune%27s_Navy
X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
I bet those ships are flying flags for a nation that has good diplomatic standing in the US.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  Yup. Huge difference between being a flagged vessel of, say, Panama, and complying with all rules of the sea, and being a flagged vessel of nowhere and claiming you're not subject to any laws. And worth pointing out that even flagged vessels of other countries can (and often are) boarded and inspected by the USCG.

sireat 8y ago

Why wouldn't they do it? Coast Guard (of various nations) board ships all the time for various reasons. As soon as these seasteaders are deemed a threat/annoyance to the state they are goners. Maybe they did not pay tax on their crypto earnings, maybe they have an anti-state blog, maybe they produce copious amounts of LSD, etc etc. At the end of the day, the man/state with the biggest boomstick wins.

stale2002 8y ago
Why wouldn't they do that? Well they dont do that right now. There are lots of ships in the ocean, right at this moment, and the US coast guard isn't going around sinking any of them. Sure, if they enter their waters, and try to break their countries laws, then it might happen. But this is instead about international waters. People travel around the world, on boats, all of the time. I could get on a boat, right now, and travel into the ocean, and I'm not going to have to worry about the coast guard sinking me.
- arwineap 8y ago
  Pleasure craft get boarded all the time by the coast guard. [0][1][2][3][4] Often on trips from the west coast to hawaii, often on trips sailing north from southern california. The coast guard, can at any time board / search your vessel without any probable cause or warrants. Even in international waters. It's on you to make sure you're not doing anything illegal that would warrant a seizure of your vessel and all the property on it. ( again, even in international waters ) You're right though, they likely won't sink it. [0] https://www.uscg.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=luZU9g1tNsc%3D&portalid=0 https://www.uscg.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=luZU9g1tNsc%3... [1] https://www.sailfeed.com/2012/10/coast-guard-boardings-and-your-fourth-amendment-rights-part-1/ https://www.sailfeed.com/2012/10/coast-guard-boardings-and-y... [2]https://mblb.com/admiralty-maritime/the-fourth-amendment-rights-vs-boarding-power-of-the-united-states-coast-guard/ https://mblb.com/admiralty-maritime/the-fourth-amendment-rig... [3] https://www.getmyboat.com/resources/tips-for-renters/638/what-to-expect-during-a-coast-guard-boarding/ https://www.getmyboat.com/resources/tips-for-renters/638/wha... [4] https://coastguardnews.com/what-to-expect-during-a-coast-guard-boarding/2016/05/26/ https://coastguardnews.com/what-to-expect-during-a-coast-gua...

lern_too_spel 8y ago

Are you aware that those cruise ships that travel into and out of the US must be registered to a flag state, whose laws they must comply with? Once they are in the US, they must comply with US law.

jonathankoren 8y ago
Even Sea Sheppard[0] flies flags of internationally recognized sovereign nations, along side more dubious flags such as the Iroquois Confederacy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune%27s_Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune%27s_Navy

X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago

I bet those ships are flying flags for a nation that has good diplomatic standing in the US.

CydeWeys 8y ago
Yup. Huge difference between being a flagged vessel of, say, Panama, and complying with all rules of the sea, and being a flagged vessel of nowhere and claiming you're not subject to any laws. And worth pointing out that even flagged vessels of other countries can (and often are) boarded and inspected by the USCG.