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I'm not on Thailand's side here WRT punishment, that seems a bit ridiculous. That said, 'international waters' are not the place to build semi-permanent housin

by axaxs 8y ago

I'm not on Thailand's side here WRT punishment, that seems a bit ridiculous. That said, 'international waters' are not the place to build semi-permanent housing. If everyone did that, where/how would ships even operate? How long until Somali pirates show up, murder you, and take all your possessions with no 'government' to protect you? I tend to side with Thailand basically telling them to sod off, just not with the threat of death/imprisonment.

return0 8y ago
> How long until Somali pirates show up, murder you, and take all your possessions with no 'government' to protect you? I assume most somali pirates do operate in international waters, which are not officially protected by anyone. wiki: > Piracy off the coast of Somalia refers to criminal violence and threats by Somalian pirates in the Gulf of Aden, Guardafui Channel and Somali Sea, in what some say are disputed territorial waters.
jtms 8y ago
When the pirates come you just shout that it’s illegal for them to be there through a megaphone
- prepend 8y ago
  No, you just shadowban them until they improve their behavior by no longer pillaging.
- holtalanm 8y ago
  is it that hard to believe these people might have weapons to protect themselves?
bluntfang 8y ago
man this comment feels so helpless. Oh no! what if x happens?! The answer is you deal with it. Will it be rainbows and farts? probably not, but I assume these people want to abandon their home governments because they didn't like the way they were treated. What's wrong with autonomy? What's wrong with facing hardship like our ancestors did?
- 50656E6973 8y ago
  >What's wrong with autonomy? What's wrong with facing hardship like our ancestors did? When people rely on others to protect them their whole lives, they never learn how to protect themselves. So naturally the thought of autonomy and self defense triggers a feeling of paralyzing helplessness.
  - axaxs 8y ago
    With what? A gun? A cannon? A blunderbuss! In what world can a couple on a floating plot defeat a boatload of pirates with AK47s? These are people who've successfully taken over entire cargo ships, mind you.
    - bluntfang 8y ago
      In what world can a couple on sovereign land defend themselves from an oppressive government that has a monopoly on violence?These are entities that have imprisoned and oppressed entire groups of people, mind you.
    - marssaxman 8y ago
      Crews of cargo ships generally go unarmed, for insurance reasons, and they carry cargoes worth many millions of dollars. It's not hard to understand why a group of pirates might choose to take the risk of raiding such a vessel. It's harder to see the logic in what would essentially be a glorified home invasion. Where's the money in it? Why wouldn't this hypothetical seasteading couple simply get their own AK47s and threaten to shoot back? Are pirates really going to risk death over someone's household goods?
- yongjik 8y ago
  Because when some freedom-loving couple takes root in some god-forsaken islet in the middle of nowhere, and when they are trapped in the middle of a hurricane, together with their newborn baby, with three hours to spare before their freedom-house goes underwater, it will be morally wrong to sentence the baby to death just because their parents are idiots, so the government will be morally compelled to send rescue squads, spending taxpayer money and possible endangering lives of rescue workers.
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closeparen 8y ago
There is no government protection from property crime in most big cities. Somehow life goes on.

by axaxs 8y ago

return0 8y ago

> How long until Somali pirates show up, murder you, and take all your possessions with no 'government' to protect you? I assume most somali pirates do operate in international waters, which are not officially protected by anyone. wiki: > Piracy off the coast of Somalia refers to criminal violence and threats by Somalian pirates in the Gulf of Aden, Guardafui Channel and Somali Sea, in what some say are disputed territorial waters.

jtms 8y ago

When the pirates come you just shout that it’s illegal for them to be there through a megaphone

prepend 8y ago
No, you just shadowban them until they improve their behavior by no longer pillaging.
holtalanm 8y ago
is it that hard to believe these people might have weapons to protect themselves?

bluntfang 8y ago

man this comment feels so helpless. Oh no! what if x happens?! The answer is you deal with it. Will it be rainbows and farts? probably not, but I assume these people want to abandon their home governments because they didn't like the way they were treated. What's wrong with autonomy? What's wrong with facing hardship like our ancestors did?

50656E6973 8y ago
>What's wrong with autonomy? What's wrong with facing hardship like our ancestors did? When people rely on others to protect them their whole lives, they never learn how to protect themselves. So naturally the thought of autonomy and self defense triggers a feeling of paralyzing helplessness.
- axaxs 8y ago
  With what? A gun? A cannon? A blunderbuss! In what world can a couple on a floating plot defeat a boatload of pirates with AK47s? These are people who've successfully taken over entire cargo ships, mind you.
  - bluntfang 8y ago
    In what world can a couple on sovereign land defend themselves from an oppressive government that has a monopoly on violence?These are entities that have imprisoned and oppressed entire groups of people, mind you.
  - marssaxman 8y ago
    Crews of cargo ships generally go unarmed, for insurance reasons, and they carry cargoes worth many millions of dollars. It's not hard to understand why a group of pirates might choose to take the risk of raiding such a vessel. It's harder to see the logic in what would essentially be a glorified home invasion. Where's the money in it? Why wouldn't this hypothetical seasteading couple simply get their own AK47s and threaten to shoot back? Are pirates really going to risk death over someone's household goods?
yongjik 8y ago
Because when some freedom-loving couple takes root in some god-forsaken islet in the middle of nowhere, and when they are trapped in the middle of a hurricane, together with their newborn baby, with three hours to spare before their freedom-house goes underwater, it will be morally wrong to sentence the baby to death just because their parents are idiots, so the government will be morally compelled to send rescue squads, spending taxpayer money and possible endangering lives of rescue workers.

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closeparen 8y ago

There is no government protection from property crime in most big cities. Somehow life goes on.