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you could say that about any paradox. it other words, it isn't a helpful position because it doesn't give any insight. why even have the word paradox? plus, ou

you could say that about any paradox. it other words, it isn't a helpful position because it doesn't give any insight. why even have the word paradox? plus, our intuition is just as much a part of reality as your "reality".

aik 7y ago
Your definition of reality here is unrelated to the OP's point. Quantum mechanics will work the way it does regardless of what your intuition on how it should work thinks. Also the emergence of an apparently paradox is a great heuristic that raises the question of whether our intuition and understanding is wrong or correct.
- gowld 7y ago
  It's not a matter of intuition, it's a matter of incompleteness or inconsistence in the theory. There is no theoretrically testable explanation of what happens when states transition in quantum mechanics.
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  i didn't define reality, although i implied it to be everything, which was a counterpoint to the commenter's implication that quantum mechanics is reality and our intuition is somehow separate from that. > Quantum mechanics will work the way it does regardless of what your intuition on how it should work thinks. i didn't say otherwise, although i think what you've stated is debatable.
ChrisSD 7y ago
A paradox is essentially a logical contradiction. As far as we know such contradictions don't occur in nature. Paradoxes indicate that there is a flaw in either our theory or our understanding of our theory.
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  right. but saying there aren't paradoxes in quantum mechanics isn't helpful and is probably just wrong. quantum mechanics isn't a physical thing and isn't reality. it is a model. of course it can have paradoxes, and does.
  - dtech 7y ago
    A model with a paradox is usually considered a flawed model, as it a logical contradiction, and from a logical contradiction anything can be proven. "Proof by contradiction" is a proof that the opposite is true, and is constructed so that if the thing you try to disprove would be true, you could create a paradox/contradiction.
    - nikofeyn 7y ago
      > A model with a paradox is usually considered a flawed model that is the critique at hand, is it not? my understanding of the paradoxes in quantum mechanics stem from things, like measurement, being unspecified or at least being specified or interpreted without consensus.
- laszlokorte 7y ago
  Actually a paradox is something that appears to be a contradiction. It comes from the greek for "contrary to expectation". So often a paradox is about wrong expectations and not a contradiction in of it self.
SilasX 7y ago
Bingo. Sufficiently unintuitive reality is indistinguishable from paradox.

aik 7y ago

Your definition of reality here is unrelated to the OP's point. Quantum mechanics will work the way it does regardless of what your intuition on how it should work thinks. Also the emergence of an apparently paradox is a great heuristic that raises the question of whether our intuition and understanding is wrong or correct.

gowld 7y ago
It's not a matter of intuition, it's a matter of incompleteness or inconsistence in the theory. There is no theoretrically testable explanation of what happens when states transition in quantum mechanics.
nikofeyn 7y ago
i didn't define reality, although i implied it to be everything, which was a counterpoint to the commenter's implication that quantum mechanics is reality and our intuition is somehow separate from that. > Quantum mechanics will work the way it does regardless of what your intuition on how it should work thinks. i didn't say otherwise, although i think what you've stated is debatable.

ChrisSD 7y ago

A paradox is essentially a logical contradiction. As far as we know such contradictions don't occur in nature. Paradoxes indicate that there is a flaw in either our theory or our understanding of our theory.

nikofeyn 7y ago
right. but saying there aren't paradoxes in quantum mechanics isn't helpful and is probably just wrong. quantum mechanics isn't a physical thing and isn't reality. it is a model. of course it can have paradoxes, and does.
- dtech 7y ago
  A model with a paradox is usually considered a flawed model, as it a logical contradiction, and from a logical contradiction anything can be proven. "Proof by contradiction" is a proof that the opposite is true, and is constructed so that if the thing you try to disprove would be true, you could create a paradox/contradiction.
  - nikofeyn 7y ago
    > A model with a paradox is usually considered a flawed model that is the critique at hand, is it not? my understanding of the paradoxes in quantum mechanics stem from things, like measurement, being unspecified or at least being specified or interpreted without consensus.
laszlokorte 7y ago
Actually a paradox is something that appears to be a contradiction. It comes from the greek for "contrary to expectation". So often a paradox is about wrong expectations and not a contradiction in of it self.

SilasX 7y ago

Bingo. Sufficiently unintuitive reality is indistinguishable from paradox.