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Are you implying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist? Because that is patently false. Yes, Trump may be racist, but just because someone is racist, do

Are you implying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist? Because that is patently false. Yes, Trump may be racist, but just because someone is racist, doesn’t mean everyone who supports them is racist. Also, the argument that majority rule is what should elect someone is wrong for many reasons; The biggest being that the constitution is what created the electoral college. Yes, the electoral college has issues, but it’s the best we have when only 58% of the voting population turns up.

mullingitover 8y ago
> Are you implying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist? Not everyone who votes Trump/Republican is a racist, but if you're a racist you almost certainly voted Trump/Republican because you believe they're most likely to advance your agenda. > Also, the argument that majority rule is what should elect someone is wrong for many reasons If believing that every citizen's vote should be of equal weight is wrong, I don't want to be right.
- Ntrails 8y ago
  > If believing that every citizen's vote should be of equal weight is wrong, I don't want to be right. Ok, so let me suggest that it is a problem if the cities have complete control over the course of policy. In principle pure majority is obviously just, but i don't think it is without consequence. Especially in the UK where London has all the money _and_ a-lot of the votes - i think it is worth some consideration?
  - iron0013 8y ago
    You know, you're right, the principle that every person should have equal political weight is absurd. As you say, minorities should be given more political voice than the majority. That's why I believe black people's votes should count double those of white people. I'm sure you'd agree with that, right?
    - Ntrails 8y ago
      There is a phrase "tyranny of the majority" designed for this specific purpose. Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, sure. I want representation in government for minorities who don't have the population to justify it. How to do that is interesting :)
  - mullingitover 8y ago
    > Ok, so let me suggest that it is a problem if the cities have complete control over the course of policy. The cities are the economic engines of the country. Why should the underperforming rural areas be given an oversized voice in national government?
jressey 8y ago
The commenter is implying that we have an antiquated system of voting where poor, uneducated states have disproportionate power. Also if you vote for Trump, you are not by definition like him, but you certainly condone a racist/idiot/sexual assaulter as president. Your arguments for the electoral college are irrational. The electoral college does nothing to address poor voter turnout, in fact it encourages it. The fact that the constitution included the electoral college does not make it superior to majority election. You are trying to state the tautology: "If it is in the constitution it is good for America for eternity."
jrlocke 8y ago
Well, it at least means that their supporters don't consider racism a dealbreaker.
specialist 8y ago
(USA) Conservatives used to proclaim "one person, one vote".
mamon 8y ago
Just because Trump lost popular vote during last elections does not mean that the result would be the same if there was no electoral college. The way elections currently work is discouraging many voters from participating: if you are a Democrat in red state, or Republican in blue state you might feel that your vote does not matter and not go to vote at all. If there were different rules voters would also behave differently. So we won't ever know who would win such elections until we actually have them.

mullingitover 8y ago

> Are you implying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist? Not everyone who votes Trump/Republican is a racist, but if you're a racist you almost certainly voted Trump/Republican because you believe they're most likely to advance your agenda. > Also, the argument that majority rule is what should elect someone is wrong for many reasons If believing that every citizen's vote should be of equal weight is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Ntrails 8y ago
> If believing that every citizen's vote should be of equal weight is wrong, I don't want to be right. Ok, so let me suggest that it is a problem if the cities have complete control over the course of policy. In principle pure majority is obviously just, but i don't think it is without consequence. Especially in the UK where London has all the money _and_ a-lot of the votes - i think it is worth some consideration?
- iron0013 8y ago
  You know, you're right, the principle that every person should have equal political weight is absurd. As you say, minorities should be given more political voice than the majority. That's why I believe black people's votes should count double those of white people. I'm sure you'd agree with that, right?
  - Ntrails 8y ago
    There is a phrase "tyranny of the majority" designed for this specific purpose. Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, sure. I want representation in government for minorities who don't have the population to justify it. How to do that is interesting :)
- mullingitover 8y ago
  > Ok, so let me suggest that it is a problem if the cities have complete control over the course of policy. The cities are the economic engines of the country. Why should the underperforming rural areas be given an oversized voice in national government?

jressey 8y ago

The commenter is implying that we have an antiquated system of voting where poor, uneducated states have disproportionate power. Also if you vote for Trump, you are not by definition like him, but you certainly condone a racist/idiot/sexual assaulter as president. Your arguments for the electoral college are irrational. The electoral college does nothing to address poor voter turnout, in fact it encourages it. The fact that the constitution included the electoral college does not make it superior to majority election. You are trying to state the tautology: "If it is in the constitution it is good for America for eternity."

jrlocke 8y ago

Well, it at least means that their supporters don't consider racism a dealbreaker.

specialist 8y ago

(USA) Conservatives used to proclaim "one person, one vote".

mamon 8y ago

Just because Trump lost popular vote during last elections does not mean that the result would be the same if there was no electoral college. The way elections currently work is discouraging many voters from participating: if you are a Democrat in red state, or Republican in blue state you might feel that your vote does not matter and not go to vote at all. If there were different rules voters would also behave differently. So we won't ever know who would win such elections until we actually have them.