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My last company gave us iPhones, and I was excited to try an Apple product without giving Apple money. Wow, I felt like I was using a phone that was 5 years ol

My last company gave us iPhones, and I was excited to try an Apple product without giving Apple money. Wow, I felt like I was using a phone that was 5 years old. I only imagine Apple users have Allegory of the Cave effect, they don't know whats out there. Leaving the cave is lots of work, so they enjoy whats available for them.

ricardobeat 7y ago
What about the phone/OS made you feel that? Your comment is offensively patronising. Have you considered the chance you’re also suffering from bias of having used the same systems for years?
- robertAngst 7y ago
  I'll list my problems, I don't expect this to go over well, but since you asked- >Apple's podcast app was glitchy/laggy. >Apple maps took me a 'long' way, but it didn't know traffic was bad. I give them a 50% pass. >Apple maps telling you to turn at the last second... >The home screen is not on the same level as Android, no widgets in 2019. >Controls, I felt like things werent intuitive, but thats an opinion thing. >Updates, oh my god, it seemed like every day I needed to update, and every time I needed to sign in, and enter password >I didn't like the animations, they took too long. Maybe I could have turned them off. I can't think of anything else about the iphone product, so I'll let everyone tell me these are 'features' that are great. Then there is an entirely different list about Apple being 'evil', being anti-competitive, closed, hackable, anti-consumer, poor treatment of workers, etc.. I consider working and buying products from 'evil' companies bad capitalism. I don't see them doing anything to remedy these.
  - vbezhenar 7y ago
    Apple apps have nothing to do with iOS. You can use many apps. I'm using 4 different map apps and Apple maps is not among them. Check out google maps for example or try to find one that local people used (I had good experience with TomTom in Europe). iOS has widgets on other screens, home screen is just apps launcher. Controls are opinionated indeed and I feel myself better in iOS world without that strange "back" button which can do anything. Not sure about animations, I think that there are settings in accessibility options for those, but I'm not sure, never was an issue for me. Frequent updates seems to be a good thing. I don't update myself often, and my phone complains may be once a week or month, definitely not every day.
    - robertAngst 7y ago
      These are nice answers, but I just want my phone to work. My OG pixel is a clear upgrade.
vbezhenar 7y ago
I'm using iPhone and I did some Android development recently. I bought quite recent phone (cheap as hell, of course, but it's not slow). Sorry, Android is still not going to win over iOS for me. Price is awesome, yeah, that phone for $200 is as good as my $1000 iPhone, but Android is for very different kind of people than I am. And even that advantage seems to vanish in new versions (e.g. it seems that you can't record calls with new Android anymore). I don't really want to bash on people using Android. It's free OS after all and that's awesome, it allows many things that are not possible with iOS. But not everyone does not know what's out there. It's not like Android is some hidden treasure, it's everywhere and most people saw it, they just made a different choice.
- robertAngst 7y ago
  Do you have any reasons? You didn't post any in your comment.
  - megablast 7y ago
    Nor did you.
  - vbezhenar 7y ago
    There are many little things, I just don't feel that Android UI is as polished. I can live with them or in some cases I probably can customize things, but it's still irritation. Here are some random ones: * When I have to enter pin (6 digits) I must press "OK". iPhone unlocks after 6-th digit automatically. * It seems that Android app developers prefer the ad model. I don't have a single app on iOS with ads. Yet it's hard to find a single app in Android without ads. And I hate them. * I spent something like 30 minutes trying to add a second phone number to my own android contact. I did not succeed. Theoretically I have to go to Google profile and add it there. But that button was not there. With iOS me is just another contact that I can edit as any other contact. * To turn off all radios (airplane mode) I have to swipe from top, then swipe again to uncover the full menu, then swipe again to go to the right menu and only there I can click to enable airplane mode. With iOS it's one swipe and one click. I guess that I can customize this screen with Android and I can't with iOS... I don't want to bother, actually. * I hate back button philosophy. I don't want to switch to other apps with back button. I prefer back buttons in app UI. * I can't tap top bar to scroll to the top. Some websites provide that button as part of their UI, so may be it's just an iOS habit.

ricardobeat 7y ago

What about the phone/OS made you feel that? Your comment is offensively patronising. Have you considered the chance you’re also suffering from bias of having used the same systems for years?

robertAngst 7y ago
I'll list my problems, I don't expect this to go over well, but since you asked- >Apple's podcast app was glitchy/laggy. >Apple maps took me a 'long' way, but it didn't know traffic was bad. I give them a 50% pass. >Apple maps telling you to turn at the last second... >The home screen is not on the same level as Android, no widgets in 2019. >Controls, I felt like things werent intuitive, but thats an opinion thing. >Updates, oh my god, it seemed like every day I needed to update, and every time I needed to sign in, and enter password >I didn't like the animations, they took too long. Maybe I could have turned them off. I can't think of anything else about the iphone product, so I'll let everyone tell me these are 'features' that are great. Then there is an entirely different list about Apple being 'evil', being anti-competitive, closed, hackable, anti-consumer, poor treatment of workers, etc.. I consider working and buying products from 'evil' companies bad capitalism. I don't see them doing anything to remedy these.
- vbezhenar 7y ago
  Apple apps have nothing to do with iOS. You can use many apps. I'm using 4 different map apps and Apple maps is not among them. Check out google maps for example or try to find one that local people used (I had good experience with TomTom in Europe). iOS has widgets on other screens, home screen is just apps launcher. Controls are opinionated indeed and I feel myself better in iOS world without that strange "back" button which can do anything. Not sure about animations, I think that there are settings in accessibility options for those, but I'm not sure, never was an issue for me. Frequent updates seems to be a good thing. I don't update myself often, and my phone complains may be once a week or month, definitely not every day.
  - robertAngst 7y ago
    These are nice answers, but I just want my phone to work. My OG pixel is a clear upgrade.

vbezhenar 7y ago

I'm using iPhone and I did some Android development recently. I bought quite recent phone (cheap as hell, of course, but it's not slow). Sorry, Android is still not going to win over iOS for me. Price is awesome, yeah, that phone for $200 is as good as my $1000 iPhone, but Android is for very different kind of people than I am. And even that advantage seems to vanish in new versions (e.g. it seems that you can't record calls with new Android anymore). I don't really want to bash on people using Android. It's free OS after all and that's awesome, it allows many things that are not possible with iOS. But not everyone does not know what's out there. It's not like Android is some hidden treasure, it's everywhere and most people saw it, they just made a different choice.

robertAngst 7y ago
Do you have any reasons? You didn't post any in your comment.
- megablast 7y ago
  Nor did you.
- vbezhenar 7y ago
  There are many little things, I just don't feel that Android UI is as polished. I can live with them or in some cases I probably can customize things, but it's still irritation. Here are some random ones: * When I have to enter pin (6 digits) I must press "OK". iPhone unlocks after 6-th digit automatically. * It seems that Android app developers prefer the ad model. I don't have a single app on iOS with ads. Yet it's hard to find a single app in Android without ads. And I hate them. * I spent something like 30 minutes trying to add a second phone number to my own android contact. I did not succeed. Theoretically I have to go to Google profile and add it there. But that button was not there. With iOS me is just another contact that I can edit as any other contact. * To turn off all radios (airplane mode) I have to swipe from top, then swipe again to uncover the full menu, then swipe again to go to the right menu and only there I can click to enable airplane mode. With iOS it's one swipe and one click. I guess that I can customize this screen with Android and I can't with iOS... I don't want to bother, actually. * I hate back button philosophy. I don't want to switch to other apps with back button. I prefer back buttons in app UI. * I can't tap top bar to scroll to the top. Some websites provide that button as part of their UI, so may be it's just an iOS habit.