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Until you improve on the pitiful salaries offered in Europe's tech industry, that's not going to change.

guitarbill 7y ago
Eh, some people will be tempted, knowing that their children will get a decent education that doesn't cost the world, healthcare, gun violence, etc. But you're right, we'll likely never convince the people who have never experienced another culture and who value money over everything. Edit: Even if we did pay more, the language barrier is still pretty high.
- qaq 7y ago
  The above list makes sense for people outside of tech. People in tech have most of the above in US. Some countries in Europe have pretty competitive comp like Switzerland (Denmark, Norway have decent comp too but its getting destroyed by high taxes)
  - guitarbill 7y ago
    sure, it's a complex situation, and IT is booming, so the "high salary + throw money at it" approach works great for individuals
  - nstart 7y ago
    Curious about the comment on Norway taxes. They are high but the benefits offered are very good for citizens. Education and healthcare being top benefits. Also the culture contributes a lot to viewing it more positively from what I understand. I don't work in Norway but I've been researching it as a possible location to migrate to in the future. Curious if there are any citizens from Norway who'd be interested in adding information to this though.
    - qaq 7y ago
      I think the situation is very skewed when comparing tech sector because of how competitive things are in US the comp packages can be far beyond of what you get as "free" gov. services in a place like Norway.
  - wolco 7y ago
    I look at remote job ads and I find the US, Canada at times the UK willing to hire internationally. Where Denmark, Norway, Germany seem hostile to non-locals. To me those are key signals of a competitive market. It doesn't feel like Europe has a shortage of talent at the moment.
    - qaq 7y ago
      It sure does work culture is different though plus cost savings US vs Remote can be 2X vs for Germany more like 30%
- ghobs91 7y ago
  The cost of college I'll give you that. Pretty much very tech company gives employees and their family healthcare coverage as part of the benefits. As for gun violence, while the US definitely has higher rates of mass shootings, the vast majority of Americans will never experience any of that first hand, especially in high income tech cities like SF and NYC.
  - cyphar 7y ago
    Even with (overpriced) health insurance in the US, health costs are ridiculously expensive when compared to Europe or other countries with functioning public healthcare. Even people in the richer end of the middle-class bracket have issues. It's just that healthcare isn't a pressing concern for most people's decision making, until it's an emergency.
- peferron 7y ago
  > we'll likely never convince the people who have never experienced another culture and who value money over everything You certainly won't convince many people currently living the USA by throwing veiled insults at them for not considering moving somewhere else, that's for sure.

Eh, some people will be tempted, knowing that their children will get a decent education that doesn't cost the world, healthcare, gun violence, etc. But you're right, we'll likely never convince the people who have never experienced another culture and who value money over everything. Edit: Even if we did pay more, the language barrier is still pretty high.

qaq 7y ago
The above list makes sense for people outside of tech. People in tech have most of the above in US. Some countries in Europe have pretty competitive comp like Switzerland (Denmark, Norway have decent comp too but its getting destroyed by high taxes)
- guitarbill 7y ago
  sure, it's a complex situation, and IT is booming, so the "high salary + throw money at it" approach works great for individuals
- nstart 7y ago
  Curious about the comment on Norway taxes. They are high but the benefits offered are very good for citizens. Education and healthcare being top benefits. Also the culture contributes a lot to viewing it more positively from what I understand. I don't work in Norway but I've been researching it as a possible location to migrate to in the future. Curious if there are any citizens from Norway who'd be interested in adding information to this though.
  - qaq 7y ago
    I think the situation is very skewed when comparing tech sector because of how competitive things are in US the comp packages can be far beyond of what you get as "free" gov. services in a place like Norway.
- wolco 7y ago
  I look at remote job ads and I find the US, Canada at times the UK willing to hire internationally. Where Denmark, Norway, Germany seem hostile to non-locals. To me those are key signals of a competitive market. It doesn't feel like Europe has a shortage of talent at the moment.
  - qaq 7y ago
    It sure does work culture is different though plus cost savings US vs Remote can be 2X vs for Germany more like 30%
ghobs91 7y ago
The cost of college I'll give you that. Pretty much very tech company gives employees and their family healthcare coverage as part of the benefits. As for gun violence, while the US definitely has higher rates of mass shootings, the vast majority of Americans will never experience any of that first hand, especially in high income tech cities like SF and NYC.
- cyphar 7y ago
  Even with (overpriced) health insurance in the US, health costs are ridiculously expensive when compared to Europe or other countries with functioning public healthcare. Even people in the richer end of the middle-class bracket have issues. It's just that healthcare isn't a pressing concern for most people's decision making, until it's an emergency.
peferron 7y ago
> we'll likely never convince the people who have never experienced another culture and who value money over everything You certainly won't convince many people currently living the USA by throwing veiled insults at them for not considering moving somewhere else, that's for sure.