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Except that these changes will eventually be part of 19.04 LTS and then what? As someone who stayed on 16.04 LTS until apt-get update started reporting "can't f

Except that these changes will eventually be part of 19.04 LTS and then what? As someone who stayed on 16.04 LTS until apt-get update started reporting "can't find respository, ignoring" on the Canonical servers, I can attest to the fact that this strategy only works for so long :-).

levesque 8y ago
I think you mean 20.04 LTS.
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qznc 8y ago
16.04 is still supported for two more years. 14.04 support ends in 12 days (or longer if you pay Canonical). https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
- j1elo 8y ago
  This page also shows a nicely presented table with Ubuntu versions and expected support dates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
ohyeshedid 8y ago
There is no 19.x LTS, next LTS release would be 20.04.
- etrautmann 8y ago
  Which itself is not obvious to many users. I made the mistake of installing 17.04 and it was a major headache to upgrade it after support was dropped.
  - ohyeshedid 8y ago
    Totally understandable. Basically, even.04 are LTS releases and odd.04 are beta/experimental/very early rc's.
    - jrochkind1 8y ago
      wait... do all versions end in .04?
      - juki 8y ago
        No, there are two releases every year; a <year>.04 in April and <year>.10 in October.
      - vel0city 8y ago
        Ubuntu releases a new LTS release for the first release every two years. Ubuntu usually has two releases a year, one in April (.04) and one in October (.10). So 16.04 is a LTS release, as it was the first release in an even year. 16.10, 17.04, 17.10 were all regular non-LTS releases. 18.04 was an LTS release. 18.10 and 19.04 are regular non-LTS releases. https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
  - Lorkki 8y ago
    I don't remember how long it's been the case, but these days LTS is the first option that they show you, and it's clearly marked as such: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop LTS releases also don't offer upgrades to non-LTS versions unless you explicitly enable that via the "Software & Updates" tool.
    - cr0sh 8y ago
      My first Ubuntu install was 8.04 LTS - I'm pretty sure it was made clear then how it worked and that it was a more preferred install for "stability-over-time" reasons. It was also a revelation to me - easiest install ever. Prior to that I was running some version of Mandrake (and prior to that, Woody). I've been running Linux in some form or another since around 1995; I started with Turbo Linux 2.0 (ok, ok - my first Linux was Monkey Linux over DOS, but it was more a plaything). I'm not unfamiliar with the intricacies of installing Linux (and I've compiled my own kernel before just to get certain things working - did that for a 486 laptop just to get everything on it working - sound, modem, PCMCIA, ethernet card, video, etc). Being able to just "point and click" - while Mandrake allowed it, and SuSe also to an extent - it wasn't anywhere near as clean as what Ubuntu allowed for. I've pretty much stuck with Ubuntu since then (though not with their wm/desktop - blech at times).
tinus_hn 8y ago
Slower is not the same as not moving. Long Term Support is not Infinite Term Support.

levesque 8y ago

I think you mean 20.04 LTS.

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qznc 8y ago

16.04 is still supported for two more years. 14.04 support ends in 12 days (or longer if you pay Canonical). https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle

j1elo 8y ago
This page also shows a nicely presented table with Ubuntu versions and expected support dates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

ohyeshedid 8y ago

There is no 19.x LTS, next LTS release would be 20.04.

etrautmann 8y ago
Which itself is not obvious to many users. I made the mistake of installing 17.04 and it was a major headache to upgrade it after support was dropped.
- ohyeshedid 8y ago
  Totally understandable. Basically, even.04 are LTS releases and odd.04 are beta/experimental/very early rc's.
  - jrochkind1 8y ago
    wait... do all versions end in .04?
    - juki 8y ago
      No, there are two releases every year; a <year>.04 in April and <year>.10 in October.
    - vel0city 8y ago
      Ubuntu releases a new LTS release for the first release every two years. Ubuntu usually has two releases a year, one in April (.04) and one in October (.10). So 16.04 is a LTS release, as it was the first release in an even year. 16.10, 17.04, 17.10 were all regular non-LTS releases. 18.04 was an LTS release. 18.10 and 19.04 are regular non-LTS releases. https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
- Lorkki 8y ago
  I don't remember how long it's been the case, but these days LTS is the first option that they show you, and it's clearly marked as such: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop LTS releases also don't offer upgrades to non-LTS versions unless you explicitly enable that via the "Software & Updates" tool.
  - cr0sh 8y ago
    My first Ubuntu install was 8.04 LTS - I'm pretty sure it was made clear then how it worked and that it was a more preferred install for "stability-over-time" reasons. It was also a revelation to me - easiest install ever. Prior to that I was running some version of Mandrake (and prior to that, Woody). I've been running Linux in some form or another since around 1995; I started with Turbo Linux 2.0 (ok, ok - my first Linux was Monkey Linux over DOS, but it was more a plaything). I'm not unfamiliar with the intricacies of installing Linux (and I've compiled my own kernel before just to get certain things working - did that for a 486 laptop just to get everything on it working - sound, modem, PCMCIA, ethernet card, video, etc). Being able to just "point and click" - while Mandrake allowed it, and SuSe also to an extent - it wasn't anywhere near as clean as what Ubuntu allowed for. I've pretty much stuck with Ubuntu since then (though not with their wm/desktop - blech at times).

tinus_hn 8y ago

Slower is not the same as not moving. Long Term Support is not Infinite Term Support.