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Most likely it got flagged. Articles involving politics tend to get flagged on HN.

by clessg 8y ago

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Does this article meet conditions where flagging it actually justifies action? To me, I cannot see how it could.
- penagwin 8y ago
  I'm assuming it's automated so that after a certain number of flags it's removed for manual review. Whether it should or shouldn't be flagged is up to HN readers. Whether it stays is for the moderators.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
  It could upset some Republicans. HN at some point decided to hide any sort of controversial story. It arguably doesn’t much matter in this case, where it’s hard not to hear about it in some way. In other cases, it strikes me as an abdication of responsibility. Most recently, as but one example, when the tech community embarked on their ethics-in-astronomy harassment campaign against a female programmer: HN was one of the fora where this actually happened, but all submissions of stories on it, from reputable mainstream news sources, were quickly flagged into oblivion.
  - bacondude3 8y ago
    > It could upset some Republicans I know they aren't representative of most republicans in general, but r/The_Donald is definitely not upset right now.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I didn't follow that particular story, but in all other cases I've seen, discussing those stories has just generated more shit posts. It's unreasonable to assume the next one will suddenly generate a calm and constructive discussion.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Does this article meet conditions where flagging it actually justifies action? HN is first and foremost community moderated: flagging it is action that affects ranking. The official mods can negate or tweak community moderation effects, but there is no action from them necessary to give effect to flags.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  Considering how many people I've seen on HN decry the Mueller investigation and claim everything coming from it is a hoax, I'm unfortunately not surprised that it would be immediately be flagged and taken down.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I flagged it and I'm quite convinced it is not. Being true is not enough to belong on HN. Americans always think their party politics are so dammed important.
jchw 8y ago
Seems like a possibility, but doesn't HN prominently show that an article is flagged or dead on the comments page? I don't see any indicator on this one.
- alangpierce 8y ago
  It's still on the second page, so not flagged/dead in the sense that it's gone. I think the ranking algorithm looks at upvotes and number of flags and weights flags heavily enough that it can push it well off the front page even if it's still there. Edit: Now it says "[flagged]" and is nowhere to be found.
penagwin 8y ago
Is there anything we can do to have it reviewed? I fully understand HN's opposition to politics, specifically US politics. But I think this is a decent exception as it's a report directly from the justice department, not some BS opinion article that could be written by a high schooler.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  One could email the mods, but this seems to be a perfect example of the kind of thing that, while the discussion here might be good, is squarely within the “If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic” rule, so I wouldn't have a strong expectation of a positive response. OTOH, the mods definitely see the guidelines as just that, not rules, and might agree that this is worth protecting.
  - obituary_latte 8y ago
    I wonder why some posts have "vouch" option, but this one doesn't. Seems like a good way to let the community disagree with flagged posts.
    - nacs 8y ago
      I believe "vouch" is only for comments, not the HN post itself.
      - obituary_latte 8y ago
        No I think they are for posts too - I see it in new [1] at least...maybe it has to be [dead] for vouch? [1]https://imgur.com/a/b1HO9eo https://imgur.com/a/b1HO9eo
- nacs 8y ago
  The mods are usually pretty quick to review these things even before anyone asks. Also even though I don't think there's a way to tag people on HN, if you mention @dang , he usually shows up pretty quickly.

Most likely it got flagged. Articles involving politics tend to get flagged on HN.

by clessg 8y ago

Most likely it got flagged. Articles involving politics tend to get flagged on HN.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

Does this article meet conditions where flagging it actually justifies action? To me, I cannot see how it could.

penagwin 8y ago
I'm assuming it's automated so that after a certain number of flags it's removed for manual review. Whether it should or shouldn't be flagged is up to HN readers. Whether it stays is for the moderators.
IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
It could upset some Republicans. HN at some point decided to hide any sort of controversial story. It arguably doesn’t much matter in this case, where it’s hard not to hear about it in some way. In other cases, it strikes me as an abdication of responsibility. Most recently, as but one example, when the tech community embarked on their ethics-in-astronomy harassment campaign against a female programmer: HN was one of the fora where this actually happened, but all submissions of stories on it, from reputable mainstream news sources, were quickly flagged into oblivion.
- bacondude3 8y ago
  > It could upset some Republicans I know they aren't representative of most republicans in general, but r/The_Donald is definitely not upset right now.
- icebraining 8y ago
  I didn't follow that particular story, but in all other cases I've seen, discussing those stories has just generated more shit posts. It's unreasonable to assume the next one will suddenly generate a calm and constructive discussion.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Does this article meet conditions where flagging it actually justifies action? HN is first and foremost community moderated: flagging it is action that affects ranking. The official mods can negate or tweak community moderation effects, but there is no action from them necessary to give effect to flags.
fzeroracer 8y ago
Considering how many people I've seen on HN decry the Mueller investigation and claim everything coming from it is a hoax, I'm unfortunately not surprised that it would be immediately be flagged and taken down.
- icebraining 8y ago
  I flagged it and I'm quite convinced it is not. Being true is not enough to belong on HN. Americans always think their party politics are so dammed important.

jchw 8y ago

Seems like a possibility, but doesn't HN prominently show that an article is flagged or dead on the comments page? I don't see any indicator on this one.

alangpierce 8y ago
It's still on the second page, so not flagged/dead in the sense that it's gone. I think the ranking algorithm looks at upvotes and number of flags and weights flags heavily enough that it can push it well off the front page even if it's still there. Edit: Now it says "[flagged]" and is nowhere to be found.

penagwin 8y ago

Is there anything we can do to have it reviewed? I fully understand HN's opposition to politics, specifically US politics. But I think this is a decent exception as it's a report directly from the justice department, not some BS opinion article that could be written by a high schooler.

dragonwriter 8y ago
One could email the mods, but this seems to be a perfect example of the kind of thing that, while the discussion here might be good, is squarely within the “If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic” rule, so I wouldn't have a strong expectation of a positive response. OTOH, the mods definitely see the guidelines as just that, not rules, and might agree that this is worth protecting.
- obituary_latte 8y ago
  I wonder why some posts have "vouch" option, but this one doesn't. Seems like a good way to let the community disagree with flagged posts.
  - nacs 8y ago
    I believe "vouch" is only for comments, not the HN post itself.
    - obituary_latte 8y ago
      No I think they are for posts too - I see it in new [1] at least...maybe it has to be [dead] for vouch? [1]https://imgur.com/a/b1HO9eo https://imgur.com/a/b1HO9eo
nacs 8y ago
The mods are usually pretty quick to review these things even before anyone asks. Also even though I don't think there's a way to tag people on HN, if you mention @dang , he usually shows up pretty quickly.