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This post appeared to instantly drop from position 1 on the front page to position 32-33 on the second page of HN just a moment ago. What could cause such a dr

by mlthoughts2018 8y ago

This post appeared to instantly drop from position 1 on the front page to position 32-33 on the second page of HN just a moment ago. What could cause such a dramatic and sudden drop, especially for a link that seems politically neutral (just sharing the report, no editorializing), and most of the comments seem to be about the redaction process...?

rootusrootus 8y ago
It's politics. Many HN readers will flag it immediately for that.
- icebraining 8y ago
  I'm one of the flaggers. While I'm totally ok with politics on HN, it should have something more than that. Americans have enough places to discuss their party politics.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    I didn't flag it, but I tend to agree that it doesn't really belong on HN. It's one of the topics that makes me feel worse about the HN community, and I'd prefer to stay delusional in that regard.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    Well... yes, they should. But they don't have many places where they can have an actual, rational, fact-and-evidence-based discussion. HN is a place where that kind of conversation can happen. And yet, HN too often fails to be such a place when politics comes up. Ideally, we should be able to handle it here. If and when we can't, dumping the toxicity rather than wallowing in it is probably the correct response.
  - salawat 8y ago
    This belongs everywhere. If we can't sit down and have a civil discussion on a legal proceeding with impact at the highest levels of our government, we have bigger issues. This isn't some trivial wardrobe malfunction political soap opera. This is the culmination of an investigation into one of the most destructively divisive Administrations in modern history. This has the potential to absolutely undermine the faith of a large swath of the American people in their government's ability to conduct business on their behalf without being absurdly vulnerable to outside interference. This goes so far beyond merely being a partisan shot at Trump. Everyone should read this. Everyone should take a day to really sit down and absorb all the details in this report and ask themselves if there is any room in how they believe their country should operate for these findings to be considered a sign of the "healthy" operation of the system. I'm floored to be quite honest. There are fundamental issues and questions raised by the underlying facts outlined in this report I'm not sure anyone has ever dreamed of needing to be asked. Please, read it, don't try to suppress it. For once in your life, accept and honor your civic responsibility to be informed.
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    - icebraining 8y ago
      I know Americans enjoy pretending you rule over the whole world, but I can assure you it's not my government, nor my country, for that matter. I don't dispute the importance of the document, but surely the US is not in such a want of places to publish that HN must be appropriated in order to allow every citizen to read it. Therefore, I reserve my right to judge it inadequate for this site, and to flag it accordingly. And I should tell you that despite your condescending plea, I actually follow this sordid affair better than most. I suggest you look for other sources of information, so that you aren't reduced for begging for every important news report to be included in HN.
      - salawat 8y ago
        No condescension was intended. Be you American or not, if you've followed it as closely as you purport, than surely you've come to the realization the circumstances could just as easily have originated in your own country rather than in America. I would hope that none would begrudge you the opportunity to engage in healthy discourse here. I'll speak no more on the matter. I've clearly ruffled your feathers, which was far from my intent. I respectfully and vehemently disagree with your motivations for contributing to delay crucial conversations being held, yet nevertheless, wish you a good day.
        icebraining 8y ago
        > No condescension was intended. You implied (from a reading of a mere 30 words), that I never in my life "accepted my civic responsibility to be informed." If it wasn't intended, I can only commend your natural ability.
yodon 8y ago
HN has lots of code in it designed to discourage high controversy, low comment value posts. My guess is this submission was knocked down in the rankings because it immediately received a huge volume of very short comments and no long comments. That's probably not the profile HN's algorithms like to see.

rootusrootus 8y ago

It's politics. Many HN readers will flag it immediately for that.

icebraining 8y ago
I'm one of the flaggers. While I'm totally ok with politics on HN, it should have something more than that. Americans have enough places to discuss their party politics.
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  I didn't flag it, but I tend to agree that it doesn't really belong on HN. It's one of the topics that makes me feel worse about the HN community, and I'd prefer to stay delusional in that regard.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  Well... yes, they should. But they don't have many places where they can have an actual, rational, fact-and-evidence-based discussion. HN is a place where that kind of conversation can happen. And yet, HN too often fails to be such a place when politics comes up. Ideally, we should be able to handle it here. If and when we can't, dumping the toxicity rather than wallowing in it is probably the correct response.
- salawat 8y ago
  This belongs everywhere. If we can't sit down and have a civil discussion on a legal proceeding with impact at the highest levels of our government, we have bigger issues. This isn't some trivial wardrobe malfunction political soap opera. This is the culmination of an investigation into one of the most destructively divisive Administrations in modern history. This has the potential to absolutely undermine the faith of a large swath of the American people in their government's ability to conduct business on their behalf without being absurdly vulnerable to outside interference. This goes so far beyond merely being a partisan shot at Trump. Everyone should read this. Everyone should take a day to really sit down and absorb all the details in this report and ask themselves if there is any room in how they believe their country should operate for these findings to be considered a sign of the "healthy" operation of the system. I'm floored to be quite honest. There are fundamental issues and questions raised by the underlying facts outlined in this report I'm not sure anyone has ever dreamed of needing to be asked. Please, read it, don't try to suppress it. For once in your life, accept and honor your civic responsibility to be informed.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I know Americans enjoy pretending you rule over the whole world, but I can assure you it's not my government, nor my country, for that matter. I don't dispute the importance of the document, but surely the US is not in such a want of places to publish that HN must be appropriated in order to allow every citizen to read it. Therefore, I reserve my right to judge it inadequate for this site, and to flag it accordingly. And I should tell you that despite your condescending plea, I actually follow this sordid affair better than most. I suggest you look for other sources of information, so that you aren't reduced for begging for every important news report to be included in HN.
    - salawat 8y ago
      No condescension was intended. Be you American or not, if you've followed it as closely as you purport, than surely you've come to the realization the circumstances could just as easily have originated in your own country rather than in America. I would hope that none would begrudge you the opportunity to engage in healthy discourse here. I'll speak no more on the matter. I've clearly ruffled your feathers, which was far from my intent. I respectfully and vehemently disagree with your motivations for contributing to delay crucial conversations being held, yet nevertheless, wish you a good day.
      - icebraining 8y ago
        > No condescension was intended. You implied (from a reading of a mere 30 words), that I never in my life "accepted my civic responsibility to be informed." If it wasn't intended, I can only commend your natural ability.

yodon 8y ago

HN has lots of code in it designed to discourage high controversy, low comment value posts. My guess is this submission was knocked down in the rankings because it immediately received a huge volume of very short comments and no long comments. That's probably not the profile HN's algorithms like to see.