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My Internet History in Web Browsers

grumpy-cowboy 7y ago
Mosaic -> Netscape -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Firefox IE only if it's REALLY required by badly designed products/sites.
pushpop 7y ago
How does he know his ratio of browser usage 15 years ago? I couldn’t even provide that figure for last year let alone more than a decade in the past
- elbrian 7y ago
  The article seems like a thinly-veiled advertisement for Brave, in my opinion.
  - pushpop 7y ago
    Yeah, I got that impression too
  - wildylion 7y ago
    Which is, to put it bluntly, a blatant cash-grab that tries to redirect whatever ad cash flow it could catch into their own pocket. Best of all, their website puts Brave's selling point as 'not letting other browsers treat you as a product'. Yeah, fat chance. update: a quick look later, nothing I could not have done using standard open source tools like HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger and/or uBlock Origin.
  - jccalhoun 7y ago
    It is more like an attempt to just get hits for his site. Most of the user's activity is submitting links to his own site: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=willhallonline https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=willhallonline
- numbers 7y ago
  looks like they're just estimates and mostly 15 years ago it was either IE or Firefox.
  - samyem 7y ago
    Remember back then Firefox was not a thing. The history is: Netcape->Mozilla->Phoenix->Firebird->Firefox
k__ 7y ago
For me it was Netscape -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Firefox But I had to use IE in some jobs.
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keb_ 7y ago
IE -> Firefox -> Opera -> Chrome -> Chromium -> Firefox Now that Chrome has become the new IE of the web, I sometimes have to switch to a Chromium-based browser for some sites to work. For this, I rely on Ungoogled-Chromium.
buzzert 7y ago
Any long time Mac users here? For me it was IE (for Mac) -> iCab -> Opera -> OmniWeb -> Safari (for a long time) -> Chrome (when it was new) -> Firefox
grawprog 7y ago
I feel like I'm the only person who's skipped chrome all together. IE(because there wasn't much choice) -> Mozilla -> Firefox -> Palemoon I keep firefox installed because some sites don't play nice with palemoon, but i've never used chrome for any extended period. I played with chromium a while ago but I didn't like it. I've never really understood why chrome became so popular, when I tried it, it felt like a step back fromm firefox in every way. Sure it's better than IE, but that's not really a very difficult thing to accomplish. I'd rather use lynx than IE.
LeoPanthera 7y ago
These obviously guesstimated statistics are a thinly veiled attempt to promote Brave, right? I'm always surprised that Brave is so popular among the HN crowd. I guess that cryptocurrencies are the hot new thing, but Brave's alleged future business model is "hide ads from web pages, and then show our own". That's shockingly sketchy. Using a built-in cryptocurrency to convince users to do their marketing for them under the promise that they might get rich in future when the value goes up is, admittedly, clever, if evil.
- LyndsySimon 7y ago
  I was initially interested in Brave because of the crypto integration, but as soon as I installed it I all but forgot about it. The real killer features are speed, privacy, and ad blocking by default. It's not perfect by any stretch. When I was on Android I used it as my default; now I'm on iOS and Safari is fine. I sold my personal MBP, and now I only use my work MBP for light browsing sometimes (Opera) and my home desktop/gaming rig very rarely indeed recently. Brave makes up maybe 5% of my browser usage right now, but I still recommend it to friends. It's good at what it does, and the crypto stuff feels very much like an afterthought.
- neilv 7y ago
  My wild guess on Brave is that there are multiple and conditional plans. One, disclosed plan might work for bootstrapping. The actual/longer-term plan(s) might kick in once they have sufficient money&users, or when the bootstrap runs into regulatory or civil legal trouble. (Or maybe they Uber right through regulatory trouble, if they have enough users and money by then.) I have a complementary wild guess that someone has worked out an ethical philosophy argument in which Brave's plans made sense. It could conceivably include "this is war" (e.g., crucial importance of liberty-ish principles and the Internet, dangerous powerful aggressors, failures of legislation and enforcement authorities), "the ends justify the means", and perhaps an assumption of "we won't be evil". (My first pick would be a world in which US and non-US legislatures are willing to genuinely and utterly smash certain dotcom practices and thinking. My second pick would be to light a fire under Mozilla, to be more aggressive and fearless, at the same time Mozilla's funding model is redone, to remove conflicts of interest (and push out anyone who would actually rather be at a dotcom). But I'm kinda giving Brave some space, for the moment, as one of the possible third alternatives, since maybe they can do good things Mozilla can't/won't, or maybe their role is to provide additional shakeup pressure on Mozilla.)
mmphosis 7y ago
early 90's on the Mac: NCSA Mosaic -- my comment at the time: That will never catch on. late 90's on Mac and Windows: Netscape, Windows95+ on PC: Internet Exploder 2001+ iBook: Safari 2008+ Intel Mac: Firefox today Ubuntu and Debian on Intel laptops: Firefox and Chromium, Android: Firefox and Chrome, PowerPC Macs: TenFourFox, Roccat (WebKit)
LyndsySimon 7y ago
I tried to build a timeline, but couldn't. I've switch back and forth too much. At various times, pretty much every browser was ahead in some respect and worth my interest. After a while, some other implementation would pull ahead and I'd switch. Right now, I'm almost using a different browser on every device: Safari on my iPhone X and iPad Pro Opera on my MBP for browsing, Firefox sometimes for development Brave on my Windows-based gaming computer
bergie 7y ago
Hard to remember, but I think something along the lines of: lynx -> OS/2 WebExplorer -> Netscape -> IE -> Mozilla Suite -> Camino -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Safari -> Samsung Internet (also the Emacs browser at some point, but hard to place it into the timeline)
2038AD 7y ago
Pretty sure mine is something like Firefox -> Opera -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Iridium -> Chrome -> Firefox
RenRav 7y ago
I installed brave to test its crypto implementation, but its not available. Kept using anyway for the adblocking.

Mosaic -> Netscape -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Firefox IE only if it's REALLY required by badly designed products/sites.

How does he know his ratio of browser usage 15 years ago? I couldn’t even provide that figure for last year let alone more than a decade in the past

elbrian 7y ago
The article seems like a thinly-veiled advertisement for Brave, in my opinion.
- pushpop 7y ago
  Yeah, I got that impression too
- wildylion 7y ago
  Which is, to put it bluntly, a blatant cash-grab that tries to redirect whatever ad cash flow it could catch into their own pocket. Best of all, their website puts Brave's selling point as 'not letting other browsers treat you as a product'. Yeah, fat chance. update: a quick look later, nothing I could not have done using standard open source tools like HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger and/or uBlock Origin.
- jccalhoun 7y ago
  It is more like an attempt to just get hits for his site. Most of the user's activity is submitting links to his own site: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=willhallonline https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=willhallonline
numbers 7y ago
looks like they're just estimates and mostly 15 years ago it was either IE or Firefox.
- samyem 7y ago
  Remember back then Firefox was not a thing. The history is: Netcape->Mozilla->Phoenix->Firebird->Firefox

k__ 7y ago

For me it was Netscape -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Firefox But I had to use IE in some jobs.

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keb_ 7y ago

IE -> Firefox -> Opera -> Chrome -> Chromium -> Firefox Now that Chrome has become the new IE of the web, I sometimes have to switch to a Chromium-based browser for some sites to work. For this, I rely on Ungoogled-Chromium.

buzzert 7y ago

Any long time Mac users here? For me it was IE (for Mac) -> iCab -> Opera -> OmniWeb -> Safari (for a long time) -> Chrome (when it was new) -> Firefox

grawprog 7y ago

I feel like I'm the only person who's skipped chrome all together. IE(because there wasn't much choice) -> Mozilla -> Firefox -> Palemoon I keep firefox installed because some sites don't play nice with palemoon, but i've never used chrome for any extended period. I played with chromium a while ago but I didn't like it. I've never really understood why chrome became so popular, when I tried it, it felt like a step back fromm firefox in every way. Sure it's better than IE, but that's not really a very difficult thing to accomplish. I'd rather use lynx than IE.

LeoPanthera 7y ago

These obviously guesstimated statistics are a thinly veiled attempt to promote Brave, right? I'm always surprised that Brave is so popular among the HN crowd. I guess that cryptocurrencies are the hot new thing, but Brave's alleged future business model is "hide ads from web pages, and then show our own". That's shockingly sketchy. Using a built-in cryptocurrency to convince users to do their marketing for them under the promise that they might get rich in future when the value goes up is, admittedly, clever, if evil.

LyndsySimon 7y ago
I was initially interested in Brave because of the crypto integration, but as soon as I installed it I all but forgot about it. The real killer features are speed, privacy, and ad blocking by default. It's not perfect by any stretch. When I was on Android I used it as my default; now I'm on iOS and Safari is fine. I sold my personal MBP, and now I only use my work MBP for light browsing sometimes (Opera) and my home desktop/gaming rig very rarely indeed recently. Brave makes up maybe 5% of my browser usage right now, but I still recommend it to friends. It's good at what it does, and the crypto stuff feels very much like an afterthought.
neilv 7y ago
My wild guess on Brave is that there are multiple and conditional plans. One, disclosed plan might work for bootstrapping. The actual/longer-term plan(s) might kick in once they have sufficient money&users, or when the bootstrap runs into regulatory or civil legal trouble. (Or maybe they Uber right through regulatory trouble, if they have enough users and money by then.) I have a complementary wild guess that someone has worked out an ethical philosophy argument in which Brave's plans made sense. It could conceivably include "this is war" (e.g., crucial importance of liberty-ish principles and the Internet, dangerous powerful aggressors, failures of legislation and enforcement authorities), "the ends justify the means", and perhaps an assumption of "we won't be evil". (My first pick would be a world in which US and non-US legislatures are willing to genuinely and utterly smash certain dotcom practices and thinking. My second pick would be to light a fire under Mozilla, to be more aggressive and fearless, at the same time Mozilla's funding model is redone, to remove conflicts of interest (and push out anyone who would actually rather be at a dotcom). But I'm kinda giving Brave some space, for the moment, as one of the possible third alternatives, since maybe they can do good things Mozilla can't/won't, or maybe their role is to provide additional shakeup pressure on Mozilla.)

mmphosis 7y ago

early 90's on the Mac: NCSA Mosaic -- my comment at the time: That will never catch on. late 90's on Mac and Windows: Netscape, Windows95+ on PC: Internet Exploder 2001+ iBook: Safari 2008+ Intel Mac: Firefox today Ubuntu and Debian on Intel laptops: Firefox and Chromium, Android: Firefox and Chrome, PowerPC Macs: TenFourFox, Roccat (WebKit)

LyndsySimon 7y ago

I tried to build a timeline, but couldn't. I've switch back and forth too much. At various times, pretty much every browser was ahead in some respect and worth my interest. After a while, some other implementation would pull ahead and I'd switch. Right now, I'm almost using a different browser on every device: Safari on my iPhone X and iPad Pro Opera on my MBP for browsing, Firefox sometimes for development Brave on my Windows-based gaming computer

bergie 7y ago

Hard to remember, but I think something along the lines of: lynx -> OS/2 WebExplorer -> Netscape -> IE -> Mozilla Suite -> Camino -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Safari -> Samsung Internet (also the Emacs browser at some point, but hard to place it into the timeline)

2038AD 7y ago

Pretty sure mine is something like Firefox -> Opera -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Iridium -> Chrome -> Firefox

RenRav 7y ago

I installed brave to test its crypto implementation, but its not available. Kept using anyway for the adblocking.