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Abuse your trust? The better question is why are you trusting them in the first place? If you actually read the TOS of a service, you'd know that they are usual

Abuse your trust? The better question is why are you trusting them in the first place? If you actually read the TOS of a service, you'd know that they are usually quite forthright with what they are going to do. If a murderer knocks on your door, informs you that if you let them in they're going to brutally murder you, but you choose to ignore that because they brought you free stuff, you don't get to complain about being murdered later.

fghtr 8y ago
>you don't get to complain about being murdered later Actually, you do; murder is illegal even if you were informed in advance. The same should be with the ad industry. See GDPR.
Cthulhu_ 8y ago
That is a stupid analogy which I hope I don't even need to explain. A terms of service is not a free pass to do whatever the fuck you want. Just because I agreed to Apple's terms of service doesn't mean they can turn me into a human centiPad, even if it says so in the small print.
- DarwinMailApp 8y ago
  Yes exactly. Not to mention (pun intended) they don't mention in their TOS that they will be abusing their power and doing whatever they want with your data. They never say that. They just do it.
- TheCraiggers 8y ago
  sigh Serves me right for using an analogy I guess. Or a "stupid" one. I dislike the need to defend against a strawman argument, but it looks like I am going to. Anyway, you're right, and so are the other people pointing out quite correctly that murder is still illegal and an agreement doesn't magically give them a right to kill me. But you know what isn't illegal? A company selling your data that you gave to them and agreed to allow them to sell in exchange for providing a service. Yes, I know there are some weak protection rules out there, and things like the GDPR exist in some countries. IANAL, but an app using permissions that you gave it, to do things it says it's going to do in its description and/or TOS is not illegal in most countries. If it was, we'd not be in the privacy clusterfuck that we're in today. The point is that trust has nothing to do with it. If anything, these companies tell you exactly what they're going to do (and if they don't, that's another problem altogether which I'm not getting into here) and you can trust that they will do what they said they're going to do to make as much money from you as they can. Treating companies like living, empathetic human beings worthy of your trust to "be nice and give you a product for free without selling your data you agreed to allow them to sell" is silly.

fghtr 8y ago

>you don't get to complain about being murdered later Actually, you do; murder is illegal even if you were informed in advance. The same should be with the ad industry. See GDPR.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

That is a stupid analogy which I hope I don't even need to explain. A terms of service is not a free pass to do whatever the fuck you want. Just because I agreed to Apple's terms of service doesn't mean they can turn me into a human centiPad, even if it says so in the small print.

DarwinMailApp 8y ago
Yes exactly. Not to mention (pun intended) they don't mention in their TOS that they will be abusing their power and doing whatever they want with your data. They never say that. They just do it.
TheCraiggers 8y ago
sigh Serves me right for using an analogy I guess. Or a "stupid" one. I dislike the need to defend against a strawman argument, but it looks like I am going to. Anyway, you're right, and so are the other people pointing out quite correctly that murder is still illegal and an agreement doesn't magically give them a right to kill me. But you know what isn't illegal? A company selling your data that you gave to them and agreed to allow them to sell in exchange for providing a service. Yes, I know there are some weak protection rules out there, and things like the GDPR exist in some countries. IANAL, but an app using permissions that you gave it, to do things it says it's going to do in its description and/or TOS is not illegal in most countries. If it was, we'd not be in the privacy clusterfuck that we're in today. The point is that trust has nothing to do with it. If anything, these companies tell you exactly what they're going to do (and if they don't, that's another problem altogether which I'm not getting into here) and you can trust that they will do what they said they're going to do to make as much money from you as they can. Treating companies like living, empathetic human beings worthy of your trust to "be nice and give you a product for free without selling your data you agreed to allow them to sell" is silly.