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last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not uniqu

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can do with a tiling WM (also dwm, xmonad etc) is just insane. Makes more sense to me since most of the tools I use are lightweight, e.g. suckless (surf), a complete process tree after login now consists of: ?─┬─?───i3-wrapper───i3 ├─sh───xautolock ├─sh───unclutter ├─sh───dunst───2*[{dunst}] ├─sh───i3bar───sh───python───{python} ├─sh───x-terminal-emul─┬─3*[bash] │ ├─bash───pstree │ └─6*[{x-terminal-emul}] └─systemd─┬─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon │ └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}] ├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dconf-service───2*[{dconf-service}] ├─dirmngr ├─gconfd-2 ├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───2*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}] ├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}] │ └─2*[{gvfsd}] ├─gvfsd-metadata───2*[{gvfsd-metadata}] ├─pulseaudio───2*[{pulseaudio}] └─tracker-store───4*[{tracker-store}] $> sudo smem -c pss -t | tail -1 606032 ^^^^ as commenter below pointed out this includes processes from other users. the correct figure is smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 Use compton if you need some bells+whistles (transparency). If you want to get rid of X.org and use Wayland[0] just use sway[1] instead as drop-in replacement for i3. [0] The real story behind Wayland and X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [1] https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/

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Crinus 8y ago
Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
  - Crinus 8y ago
    Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
- Zardoz84 8y ago
  Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.
  - Crinus 8y ago
    I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.
    - bigato 8y ago
      fvwm is current stuff, being the default window manager in OpenBSD.
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slezyr 8y ago
What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper: just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system: sudo apt-get install konqueror Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd keditbookmarks kfind kimageformat-plugins kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5 kwayland-data kwayland-integration libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdolphinvcs5 libfam0 libhfstospell10 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5baloowidgets-bin libkf5baloowidgets5 libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5doctools5 libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5 libkf5kcmutils-data libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kdelibs4support-data libkf5kdelibs4support5 libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin libkf5khtml-bin libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5kiogui5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5kirigami2-5 libkf5konq6 libkf5newstuff-data libkf5newstuff5 libkf5newstuffcore5 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5package-data libkf5package5 libkf5parts-data libkf5parts-plugins libkf5parts5 libkf5pty-data libkf5pty5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5 libkf5waylandclient5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5 libkwalletbackend5-5 libminizip1 libphonon4qt5-4 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libpoppler-qt5-1 libqt5quickcontrols2-5 libqt5quicktemplates2-5 libqt5script5 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5waylandclient5 libqt5waylandcompositor5 libqt5webengine-data libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libre2-5 libssh-4 libvoikko1 phonon4qt5 phonon4qt5-backend-vlc qml-module-org-kde-kirigami2 qml-module-org-kde-newstuff qml-module-qtqml-models2 qml-module-qtquick-controls2 qml-module-qtquick-templates2 qtwayland5 sonnet-plugins Suggested packages: tk | wish dolphin-plugins konq-plugins fam voikko-fi phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer hspell The following NEW packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd keditbookmarks kfind kimageformat-plugins kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data konqueror kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5 kwayland-data kwayland-integration libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdolphinvcs5 libfam0 libhfstospell10 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5baloowidgets-bin libkf5baloowidgets5 libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5doctools5 libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 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Kaiyou 8y ago
Transparency in terminal (urxvt) in i3wm is achievable without compton. It's also the kind of transparency that doesn't make image previews in ranger transparent, too.

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Crinus 8y ago

Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
- Crinus 8y ago
  Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
Zardoz84 8y ago
Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.
- Crinus 8y ago
  I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.
  - bigato 8y ago
    fvwm is current stuff, being the default window manager in OpenBSD.

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slezyr 8y ago

What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper: just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system: sudo apt-get install konqueror Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd keditbookmarks kfind kimageformat-plugins kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5 kwayland-data kwayland-integration libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdolphinvcs5 libfam0 libhfstospell10 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5baloowidgets-bin libkf5baloowidgets5 libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5doctools5 libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5 libkf5kcmutils-data libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kdelibs4support-data libkf5kdelibs4support5 libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin libkf5khtml-bin libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5kiogui5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5kirigami2-5 libkf5konq6 libkf5newstuff-data libkf5newstuff5 libkf5newstuffcore5 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5package-data libkf5package5 libkf5parts-data libkf5parts-plugins libkf5parts5 libkf5pty-data libkf5pty5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5 libkf5waylandclient5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5 libkwalletbackend5-5 libminizip1 libphonon4qt5-4 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libpoppler-qt5-1 libqt5quickcontrols2-5 libqt5quicktemplates2-5 libqt5script5 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5waylandclient5 libqt5waylandcompositor5 libqt5webengine-data libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libre2-5 libssh-4 libvoikko1 phonon4qt5 phonon4qt5-backend-vlc qml-module-org-kde-kirigami2 qml-module-org-kde-newstuff qml-module-qtqml-models2 qml-module-qtquick-controls2 qml-module-qtquick-templates2 qtwayland5 sonnet-plugins Suggested packages: tk | wish dolphin-plugins konq-plugins fam voikko-fi phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer hspell The following NEW packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd keditbookmarks kfind kimageformat-plugins kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data konqueror kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5 kwayland-data kwayland-integration libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdolphinvcs5 libfam0 libhfstospell10 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5baloowidgets-bin libkf5baloowidgets5 libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5doctools5 libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 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Kaiyou 8y ago

Transparency in terminal (urxvt) in i3wm is achievable without compton. It's also the kind of transparency that doesn't make image previews in ranger transparent, too.