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I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agre

by s_kilk 7y ago

I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can do with a tiling WM (also dwm, xmonad etc) is just insane. Makes more sense to me since most of the tools I use are lightweight, e.g. suckless (surf), a complete process tree after login now consists of: ?─┬─?───i3-wrapper───i3 ├─sh───xautolock ├─sh───unclutter ├─sh───dunst───2*[{dunst}] ├─sh───i3bar───sh───python───{python} ├─sh───x-terminal-emul─┬─3*[bash] │ ├─bash───pstree │ └─6*[{x-terminal-emul}] └─systemd─┬─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon │ └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}] ├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dconf-service───2*[{dconf-service}] ├─dirmngr ├─gconfd-2 ├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───2*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}] ├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}] │ └─2*[{gvfsd}] ├─gvfsd-metadata───2*[{gvfsd-metadata}] ├─pulseaudio───2*[{pulseaudio}] └─tracker-store───4*[{tracker-store}] $> sudo smem -c pss -t | tail -1 606032 ^^^^ as commenter below pointed out this includes processes from other users. the correct figure is smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 Use compton if you need some bells+whistles (transparency). If you want to get rid of X.org and use Wayland[0] just use sway[1] instead as drop-in replacement for i3. [0] The real story behind Wayland and X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [1] https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/
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- Crinus 7y ago
  Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
    - Crinus 7y ago
      Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
  - Zardoz84 7y ago
    Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.
    - Crinus 7y ago
      I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.

by s_kilk 7y ago

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can do with a tiling WM (also dwm, xmonad etc) is just insane. Makes more sense to me since most of the tools I use are lightweight, e.g. suckless (surf), a complete process tree after login now consists of: ?─┬─?───i3-wrapper───i3 ├─sh───xautolock ├─sh───unclutter ├─sh───dunst───2*[{dunst}] ├─sh───i3bar───sh───python───{python} ├─sh───x-terminal-emul─┬─3*[bash] │ ├─bash───pstree │ └─6*[{x-terminal-emul}] └─systemd─┬─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon │ └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}] ├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dconf-service───2*[{dconf-service}] ├─dirmngr ├─gconfd-2 ├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───2*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}] ├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}] │ └─2*[{gvfsd}] ├─gvfsd-metadata───2*[{gvfsd-metadata}] ├─pulseaudio───2*[{pulseaudio}] └─tracker-store───4*[{tracker-store}] $> sudo smem -c pss -t | tail -1 606032 ^^^^ as commenter below pointed out this includes processes from other users. the correct figure is smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 Use compton if you need some bells+whistles (transparency). If you want to get rid of X.org and use Wayland[0] just use sway[1] instead as drop-in replacement for i3. [0] The real story behind Wayland and X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [1] https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/

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Crinus 7y ago
Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
  - Crinus 7y ago
    Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
- Zardoz84 7y ago
  Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.
  - Crinus 7y ago
    I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.