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Google and Amazon are wasting your time with Interviewing

6 points by thorcode 7y ago

Google did not hire me because I'm a Black Man. I declined the opportunity with Amazon because they were b#llshitting the interview process. My only response is "My skin color has nothing to do with my ability to do the job. I'm more than qualified to do the f#*ck!ng job!" "TRUST.

StudentStuff 7y ago
Techbros often only want to hire people that resemble them or make them feel comfortable. I've seen this be the case with multiple people hired by both Google & Amazon, "cultural fit" (eg: political & racial fit) over merit. Happens all the time outside FAANGs too.
- thorcode 7y ago
  Nice! When you're a black man it's difficult to make white folks feel comfortable. All they see is your Blackness* :/
  - StudentStuff 7y ago
    I'm not black, but having spent time homeless and not having the best educational path, I know most tech companies that have interviewed me look down on me or consider me unhirable despite using code I wrote. The experience you describe lines up with what I've heard from friends, I'd recommend reconsidering Amazon though, the company is highly segmented internally and time at a FAANG will likely boost your earning potential down the line. Most of the employees that have been there 3+ years are inert/zombified, working 50-60hrs a week. Their recruiters also BS around, I wouldn't take the interview process personally. One friend interviewed at Amazon and thought she did terrible, yet they still offered her $80hr. Avoid the corporate kool-aid, cash their paychecks for a year or two, pole vault to an even better position at a slightly less well known company (with a better culture).
    - thorcode 7y ago
      Thanks for your input. I appreciate you taking the time to share. Companies like Google and Amazon should make it clear in the beginning that their intent when it comes to these job posting is to collect market data and they're not really interested in hiring the candidate. It's totally fine to be upfront with this information because believe it or not, there are candidates out there just looking to practice there interviewing skills to improve. Obviously, these Technical Recruiters have a quota they have to meet for the numbers of candidates to interview for an opportunity each month so it looks like they are doing their job*(Recruiting). But as a Technical Recruiters, it would be a good idea to make that clear to the candidates you are interviewing at the beginning of the interview process so that you are not wasting anyone time. As a Black Man in America, the gears almost always change once the person that hiring for the role finds out that I am Black. I always get past the phone interview because talking over the phone it defaults to tell my race. I've been dealing with this sh!t for 8+ years now and it's getting really old. :)
mikejb 7y ago
> Google did not hire me because I'm a Black Man. Can you elaborate on how you got to that conclusion? We don't have insights on how the interview went (not from your, nor the interviewers' perspective), so it's hard to get a picture of what happened.
- thorcode 7y ago
  The interview process changed once they saw me on the video camera! As a black ninja! with all the certs required for the role and over 8+ year of experience, I doubt me not getting the position had anything to do with being able to do the job.
- thorcode 7y ago
  Recruitment firm Cynet slammed after job posting seeks 'preferably Caucasian' candidate https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-slammed-after-job-posting-seeks-preferably-caucasian-n1000066 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-...
  - mikejb 7y ago
    And this is related how to your original post? (To be honest, you give the impression to blame the rejection on your skin colour when the alternative option is less comfortable: Someone thought you're not qualified to do the 'f#*ck!ng job')
thtthings 7y ago
So you are yourself deciding if you are qualified to work for Google! Now on people can just tell Google that they are qualified and Google can hire them. Can you tell us who you work for now? Some of your coding projects, things you have accomplished? If you are really good, you can just create your own software. Btw, i am not white. I am Brown
- thorcode 7y ago
  I am a Black man. Like BLACK BLACK, like dark skin. The original color BLACK, Like not even brown. Born in AFRICA. Providing me links to Amazon and Google diversity page doesn't make the company less discriminatory when it comes to there hiring practices. Quite frankly it's kinda F#k up that the company has to have a webpage to show their diversity to the public. A company having a diversity page is like saying I quote "I am not racist I have a BLACK friend. look at my cool BLACK friend. " In most cases, these companies are doing this to steer clear of the NAACP In case you don't what that stands for NAACP* stands for (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). That's right America has to have an NAACP because a lot of corporations discriminate against colored People and this has been going on for a very long time. And that's discrimination from the hiring process all the way up to career advancement opportunities say the company decides to hire that one BLACK PERSON. I've been in the Tech Field for 8+ years and let's just say a lot of F#@K sh!t happens to you when you're a BLACK MAN. The fact of the matter is when it comes to hiring and or interviewing. The person that's always making the decision say Hiring Manager is always white. It's never been a BLACK person interviewing me. like NEVER. Being a Black Male, I have to make sure I'm very careful and come off Nonthreatening. I have to be super nice! and for a lack of a better term (white-like) refer to link: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like if you would like to know what that means. If police officers get super uncomfortable when they pull me over for whatever reason (hint: a Black man driving a white Toyota Prius) Think about what goes through an interviewers mind when it's a Black person they're interviewing. My talents and what's on my resume is overlooked once they see the color BLACK. The only thing the interviewer sees when I am at this stage is my BLACKNESS. It's plain an simple I am simply asking for an opportunity to work for company X. My skin color or making the interviewer feel comfortable should have absolutely nothing to do with my ability to do the FU#King job. When it comes to TECH ish I have the ability to embarrass people that have been in the field for 20-30+ years. ;) no joke.
mrburton 7y ago
This must be a troll. Google and Amazon hire a lot of different people ranging from Black, Asian, Indian, Straight, Gay, etc. You can read more about their efforts here https://diversity.google/ https://diversity.google/ and https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/diversity-and-inclusion https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/diversity-and-inclu... FYI - I do not work for Google or Amazon.
- thorcode 7y ago
  Not a troll, I am a Black man. Like BLACK BLACK, like dark skin. The original color BLACK, Like not even brown. Born in AFRICA. Providing me links to Amazon and Google diversity page doesn't make the company less discriminatory when it comes to there hiring practices. Quite frankly it's kinda F#k up that the company has to have a webpage to show their diversity to the public. A company having a diversity page is like saying I quote "I am not racist I have a BLACK friend. look at my cool BLACK friend. " In most cases, these companies are doing this to steer clear of the NAACP In case you don't what that stands for NAACP* stands for (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). That's right America has to have an NAACP because a lot of corporations discriminate against colored People and this has been going on for a very long time. And that's discrimination from the hiring process all the way up to career advancement opportunities say the company decides to hire that one BLACK PERSON. I've been in the Tech Field for 8+ years and let's just say a lot of F#@K sh!t happens to you when you're a BLACK MAN. The fact of the matter is when it comes to hiring and or interviewing. The person that's always making the decision say Hiring Manager is always white. It's never been a BLACK person interviewing me. like NEVER. Being a Black Male, I have to make sure I'm very careful and come off Nonthreatening. I have to be super nice! and for a lack of a better term (white-like) refer to link: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like if you would like to know what that means. If police officers get super uncomfortable when they pull me over for whatever reason (hint: a Black man driving a white Toyota Prius) Think about what goes through an interviewers mind when it's a Black person they're interviewing. My talents and what's on my resume is overlooked once they see the color BLACK. The only thing the interviewer sees when I am at this stage is my BLACKNESS. It's plain an simple I am simply asking for an opportunity to work for company X. My skin color or making the interviewer feel comfortable should have absolutely nothing to do with my ability to do the FU#King job. When it comes to TECH ish I have the ability to embarrass people that have been in the field for 20-30+ years. ;) no joke.
thorcode 7y ago
Recruitment firm Cynet slammed after job posting seeks 'preferably Caucasian' candidate https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-slammed-after-job-posting-seeks-preferably-caucasian-n1000066 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-...

6 points by thorcode 7y ago

StudentStuff 7y ago

Techbros often only want to hire people that resemble them or make them feel comfortable. I've seen this be the case with multiple people hired by both Google & Amazon, "cultural fit" (eg: political & racial fit) over merit. Happens all the time outside FAANGs too.

thorcode 7y ago
Nice! When you're a black man it's difficult to make white folks feel comfortable. All they see is your Blackness* :/
- StudentStuff 7y ago
  I'm not black, but having spent time homeless and not having the best educational path, I know most tech companies that have interviewed me look down on me or consider me unhirable despite using code I wrote. The experience you describe lines up with what I've heard from friends, I'd recommend reconsidering Amazon though, the company is highly segmented internally and time at a FAANG will likely boost your earning potential down the line. Most of the employees that have been there 3+ years are inert/zombified, working 50-60hrs a week. Their recruiters also BS around, I wouldn't take the interview process personally. One friend interviewed at Amazon and thought she did terrible, yet they still offered her $80hr. Avoid the corporate kool-aid, cash their paychecks for a year or two, pole vault to an even better position at a slightly less well known company (with a better culture).
  - thorcode 7y ago
    Thanks for your input. I appreciate you taking the time to share. Companies like Google and Amazon should make it clear in the beginning that their intent when it comes to these job posting is to collect market data and they're not really interested in hiring the candidate. It's totally fine to be upfront with this information because believe it or not, there are candidates out there just looking to practice there interviewing skills to improve. Obviously, these Technical Recruiters have a quota they have to meet for the numbers of candidates to interview for an opportunity each month so it looks like they are doing their job*(Recruiting). But as a Technical Recruiters, it would be a good idea to make that clear to the candidates you are interviewing at the beginning of the interview process so that you are not wasting anyone time. As a Black Man in America, the gears almost always change once the person that hiring for the role finds out that I am Black. I always get past the phone interview because talking over the phone it defaults to tell my race. I've been dealing with this sh!t for 8+ years now and it's getting really old. :)

mikejb 7y ago

> Google did not hire me because I'm a Black Man. Can you elaborate on how you got to that conclusion? We don't have insights on how the interview went (not from your, nor the interviewers' perspective), so it's hard to get a picture of what happened.

thorcode 7y ago
The interview process changed once they saw me on the video camera! As a black ninja! with all the certs required for the role and over 8+ year of experience, I doubt me not getting the position had anything to do with being able to do the job.
thorcode 7y ago
Recruitment firm Cynet slammed after job posting seeks 'preferably Caucasian' candidate https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-slammed-after-job-posting-seeks-preferably-caucasian-n1000066 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-...
- mikejb 7y ago
  And this is related how to your original post? (To be honest, you give the impression to blame the rejection on your skin colour when the alternative option is less comfortable: Someone thought you're not qualified to do the 'f#*ck!ng job')

thtthings 7y ago

So you are yourself deciding if you are qualified to work for Google! Now on people can just tell Google that they are qualified and Google can hire them. Can you tell us who you work for now? Some of your coding projects, things you have accomplished? If you are really good, you can just create your own software. Btw, i am not white. I am Brown

thorcode 7y ago
I am a Black man. Like BLACK BLACK, like dark skin. The original color BLACK, Like not even brown. Born in AFRICA. Providing me links to Amazon and Google diversity page doesn't make the company less discriminatory when it comes to there hiring practices. Quite frankly it's kinda F#k up that the company has to have a webpage to show their diversity to the public. A company having a diversity page is like saying I quote "I am not racist I have a BLACK friend. look at my cool BLACK friend. " In most cases, these companies are doing this to steer clear of the NAACP In case you don't what that stands for NAACP* stands for (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). That's right America has to have an NAACP because a lot of corporations discriminate against colored People and this has been going on for a very long time. And that's discrimination from the hiring process all the way up to career advancement opportunities say the company decides to hire that one BLACK PERSON. I've been in the Tech Field for 8+ years and let's just say a lot of F#@K sh!t happens to you when you're a BLACK MAN. The fact of the matter is when it comes to hiring and or interviewing. The person that's always making the decision say Hiring Manager is always white. It's never been a BLACK person interviewing me. like NEVER. Being a Black Male, I have to make sure I'm very careful and come off Nonthreatening. I have to be super nice! and for a lack of a better term (white-like) refer to link: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like if you would like to know what that means. If police officers get super uncomfortable when they pull me over for whatever reason (hint: a Black man driving a white Toyota Prius) Think about what goes through an interviewers mind when it's a Black person they're interviewing. My talents and what's on my resume is overlooked once they see the color BLACK. The only thing the interviewer sees when I am at this stage is my BLACKNESS. It's plain an simple I am simply asking for an opportunity to work for company X. My skin color or making the interviewer feel comfortable should have absolutely nothing to do with my ability to do the FU#King job. When it comes to TECH ish I have the ability to embarrass people that have been in the field for 20-30+ years. ;) no joke.

mrburton 7y ago

This must be a troll. Google and Amazon hire a lot of different people ranging from Black, Asian, Indian, Straight, Gay, etc. You can read more about their efforts here https://diversity.google/ https://diversity.google/ and https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/diversity-and-inclusion https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/diversity-and-inclu... FYI - I do not work for Google or Amazon.

thorcode 7y ago
Not a troll, I am a Black man. Like BLACK BLACK, like dark skin. The original color BLACK, Like not even brown. Born in AFRICA. Providing me links to Amazon and Google diversity page doesn't make the company less discriminatory when it comes to there hiring practices. Quite frankly it's kinda F#k up that the company has to have a webpage to show their diversity to the public. A company having a diversity page is like saying I quote "I am not racist I have a BLACK friend. look at my cool BLACK friend. " In most cases, these companies are doing this to steer clear of the NAACP In case you don't what that stands for NAACP* stands for (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). That's right America has to have an NAACP because a lot of corporations discriminate against colored People and this has been going on for a very long time. And that's discrimination from the hiring process all the way up to career advancement opportunities say the company decides to hire that one BLACK PERSON. I've been in the Tech Field for 8+ years and let's just say a lot of F#@K sh!t happens to you when you're a BLACK MAN. The fact of the matter is when it comes to hiring and or interviewing. The person that's always making the decision say Hiring Manager is always white. It's never been a BLACK person interviewing me. like NEVER. Being a Black Male, I have to make sure I'm very careful and come off Nonthreatening. I have to be super nice! and for a lack of a better term (white-like) refer to link: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White-like if you would like to know what that means. If police officers get super uncomfortable when they pull me over for whatever reason (hint: a Black man driving a white Toyota Prius) Think about what goes through an interviewers mind when it's a Black person they're interviewing. My talents and what's on my resume is overlooked once they see the color BLACK. The only thing the interviewer sees when I am at this stage is my BLACKNESS. It's plain an simple I am simply asking for an opportunity to work for company X. My skin color or making the interviewer feel comfortable should have absolutely nothing to do with my ability to do the FU#King job. When it comes to TECH ish I have the ability to embarrass people that have been in the field for 20-30+ years. ;) no joke.

thorcode 7y ago

Recruitment firm Cynet slammed after job posting seeks 'preferably Caucasian' candidate https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-slammed-after-job-posting-seeks-preferably-caucasian-n1000066 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/recruitment-firm-cynet-...