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[continued] What I don't like is seeing these so-called liberals (actually fake leftists) in SV, pretending they're so morally grande, and then acting like fas

by dosy 7y ago

[continued] What I don't like is seeing these so-called liberals (actually fake leftists) in SV, pretending they're so morally grande, and then acting like fascists, with forbidden speech, forbidden thoughts and even their own little band of foot-soldier thugs (antifa). You don't get to cash in twice. They don't get the "moral righteousness" protection of pretending you're good and associated with classical liberalism when you act like this. You don't get to hide it. And to make it more concrete, it's not just big companies doing it at an abstract level, it's a hubris that leaked in everywhere. I'm not against the censorship and narrative shaping, I'm against the deceptiveness, the "this is about tolerance and inclusiveness" when it's clearly not. At that point, they've become hilarious caricatures of themselves projected in an firmware-updated Orwell's 1984 futurescape. Case in point, the other day I posted some very tech and hacker related news, how instagram censored pro-Trump cartoonist Ben Garrison. And the organic interest from HN was strong, it was upvoted and got to the front page. And then, the tolerant liberal overlords, acting to protect their delicate sensibilities or narratives, flagged it and it was gone. That's not a fair and balanced discussion. Pretending it is, is doublethink. SV doublethink. That the biggest tech forum, in the biggest tech city in the "freest country" in the world, can not even talk about their country's President and acknowledge and own how their own tech giants are censoring narratives that support him, reveals the problem. Maybe in the privileged and rarefied world of SV tech elites and their legions of privileged slaves this is an abstract problem. But these companies and the fascist-fake-leftist attitudes of their people are powerful. I think people need to see the situation clearly, and ask, what does this mean for the world? What are the second order effects of this doublethink about SV's goodness progressiveness and tolerance?

drdeca 7y ago
> That the biggest tech forum, in the biggest tech city in the "freest country" in the world, can not even talk about their country's President and [...] Not everything has to be about politics. Also, this point doesn’t seem especially coherent to me. A country is generally considered tyrannical if one cannot criticize its leaders, not the other way around. Also, you don’t have to use the word “doublethink” when you just mean hypocrisy. It doesn’t help your point any. Also, tl;dr. (For context, I generally considered myself to be somewhat right wing. Though I’ve never actually voted yet. Haven’t had many opportunities, and didn’t feel great about any of the candidates.)
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- dosy 7y ago
  excellent doublethink. doublethink Master is in the house. > country is generally considered tyrannical if one cannot criticize its leaders, not the other way around either you can see it or you don't want to. we can't criticize the tech companies or their imposed bias, while they masquerade as tolerant progressives doing social good. you're more credible if you acknowledge the problem, when you don't you're duped by their doublethink too. your comment seems too dismissive to address the substantive points I make. it's interesting to think about why you feel you need to try being dismissive and focus on the word choice and not story. it's almost as if you hope to reframe it for people to focus on those and not substance. interesting. anyway if you cared about raising kids and their well-being, you'd think more what sort of world this creates for the next generation. I guess SV bubblethink is an apt term too. anyway, I don't think you know what I mean. You're comprehension's not entirely sound. and I suppose you don't know what you're talking about because it's not too long, it's not incoherent, and i meant doublethink. You do sound like you're trying to be my editor getting my point into more orderly form. So what do you think I'm saying in the simplest form?

by dosy 7y ago

drdeca 7y ago

> That the biggest tech forum, in the biggest tech city in the "freest country" in the world, can not even talk about their country's President and [...] Not everything has to be about politics. Also, this point doesn’t seem especially coherent to me. A country is generally considered tyrannical if one cannot criticize its leaders, not the other way around. Also, you don’t have to use the word “doublethink” when you just mean hypocrisy. It doesn’t help your point any. Also, tl;dr. (For context, I generally considered myself to be somewhat right wing. Though I’ve never actually voted yet. Haven’t had many opportunities, and didn’t feel great about any of the candidates.)

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dosy 7y ago
excellent doublethink. doublethink Master is in the house. > country is generally considered tyrannical if one cannot criticize its leaders, not the other way around either you can see it or you don't want to. we can't criticize the tech companies or their imposed bias, while they masquerade as tolerant progressives doing social good. you're more credible if you acknowledge the problem, when you don't you're duped by their doublethink too. your comment seems too dismissive to address the substantive points I make. it's interesting to think about why you feel you need to try being dismissive and focus on the word choice and not story. it's almost as if you hope to reframe it for people to focus on those and not substance. interesting. anyway if you cared about raising kids and their well-being, you'd think more what sort of world this creates for the next generation. I guess SV bubblethink is an apt term too. anyway, I don't think you know what I mean. You're comprehension's not entirely sound. and I suppose you don't know what you're talking about because it's not too long, it's not incoherent, and i meant doublethink. You do sound like you're trying to be my editor getting my point into more orderly form. So what do you think I'm saying in the simplest form?