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Data protection laws need to basically create this sort of ephemerality in collected data in that data is destroyed by law after a certain period of time. Outsi

Data protection laws need to basically create this sort of ephemerality in collected data in that data is destroyed by law after a certain period of time. Outside of that we're a step away from a total surveillance state where everything that you do in any major city outside of your house is on record for eternity. Here Louis Rossman talks about how all recordings that he has made using his Android phone's voice-to-text feature and Google recording all that audio for years and all of that is on record under his account. So in terms of storage, if Google is storing that level of data. Then yeah we have the ability to store everything, forever. If that's what we as a society want to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vWAF13KigI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vWAF13KigI

blakesterz 7y ago
>> If that's what we as a society want to do. I guess I'd argue that we as a society don't really want to do that, and if we as a society paid attention to privacy/security more then we'd force the companies doing this to stop. Or we'd force our government to pass laws that would stop it. But we as a society only have a limited number of hours in our day, and most of society just doesn't care enough to apply pressure where it would make changes. I think most people just don't see why it matters.
- baroffoos 7y ago
  Those things are happening though. The GDPR has only recently come in and the average person is starting to realize how data collection affects them in ways like manipulating elections and data leaks. Until recently these privacy intrusions have only been a theoretical risk and most people don't care about theoretical risks until they become real risks.
- agumonkey 7y ago
  feels like society is becoming more and more a side-effect of business
JKCalhoun 7y ago
> everything that you do in any major city outside of your house is on record for eternity And yet, legally speaking, does "a reasonable expectation of privacy" exist outside of your or someone else's home? Just asking. I've been on the fence about this issue for years now.
- devoply 7y ago
  This is not an expectation of privacy. This is a negative liberty from constant surveillance in public. This has something that has implicitly existed forever. Perhaps it needs to be explicitly stated now. And here I am not even advocating for that freedom, but simply for that freedom to be ephemeral in retrospect. Say after 2-10 years the data is destroyed.
jodrellblank 7y ago
Saying that data should rot, is a path to downvotes. I still think it's right, though. Hoarding is a mental disorder, not a plan for a bright future.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  Hoarding is keeping worthless stuff without a plan for what to do with it. Google, OTOH, has a solid plan for what to do with this voice data. (Use it to train better models that do a better job of recognizing your voice.)
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blakesterz 7y ago

>> If that's what we as a society want to do. I guess I'd argue that we as a society don't really want to do that, and if we as a society paid attention to privacy/security more then we'd force the companies doing this to stop. Or we'd force our government to pass laws that would stop it. But we as a society only have a limited number of hours in our day, and most of society just doesn't care enough to apply pressure where it would make changes. I think most people just don't see why it matters.

baroffoos 7y ago
Those things are happening though. The GDPR has only recently come in and the average person is starting to realize how data collection affects them in ways like manipulating elections and data leaks. Until recently these privacy intrusions have only been a theoretical risk and most people don't care about theoretical risks until they become real risks.
agumonkey 7y ago
feels like society is becoming more and more a side-effect of business

JKCalhoun 7y ago

> everything that you do in any major city outside of your house is on record for eternity And yet, legally speaking, does "a reasonable expectation of privacy" exist outside of your or someone else's home? Just asking. I've been on the fence about this issue for years now.

devoply 7y ago
This is not an expectation of privacy. This is a negative liberty from constant surveillance in public. This has something that has implicitly existed forever. Perhaps it needs to be explicitly stated now. And here I am not even advocating for that freedom, but simply for that freedom to be ephemeral in retrospect. Say after 2-10 years the data is destroyed.

jodrellblank 7y ago

Saying that data should rot, is a path to downvotes. I still think it's right, though. Hoarding is a mental disorder, not a plan for a bright future.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
Hoarding is keeping worthless stuff without a plan for what to do with it. Google, OTOH, has a solid plan for what to do with this voice data. (Use it to train better models that do a better job of recognizing your voice.)
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