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I find Zuckerberg's decisions largely indistinguishable from what I'd expect of an investor demanding short terms gains over long term vision and sustainability

I find Zuckerberg's decisions largely indistinguishable from what I'd expect of an investor demanding short terms gains over long term vision and sustainability.

skinnymuch 7y ago
Buying IG and Whatsapp doesn’t seem to be in line with what investors would do, is it? Especially the latter. The treatment of Messenger and Whatsapp as well.
ChrisCinelli 7y ago
For sure Mark has made a bunch of decisions looking at the short term gain in his life. But he also did not see or largely underestimated the long term repercussions. We all make mistakes. The important part is to learn from them and do not repeat them. Since the beacon, Mark has always been sincerely recognized his mistakes, ask for forgiveness and try to fix those mistakes. I see maturity and integrity of character in this. Things that the young Zuckerberg did not have (ex: https://techcrunch.com/2011/06/25/im-ceo-bitch/ https://techcrunch.com/2011/06/25/im-ceo-bitch/ and https://i.redd.it/cqyiaxm1j6n01.jpg https://i.redd.it/cqyiaxm1j6n01.jpg ). I find remarkable that was able to quickly grow up and become a better leader.
- rhizome 7y ago
  As far as I can find he's only asked for forgiveness once, in a Yom Kippur message, and not in relation to any specific mistake(s). Not that I find "forgiveness" to be a legitimate ethical standard, since "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission" has been used to do bad stuff on purpose for a long time.
  - ChrisCinelli 7y ago
    I remember this: https://techcrunch.com/2007/12/05/zuckerberg-saves-face-apologies-for-beacon/ https://techcrunch.com/2007/12/05/zuckerberg-saves-face-apol... but yes, he never asked forgiveness for this: https://gizmodo.com/holy-crap-is-this-mark-zuckerbergs-embarrassing-childh-5993535 https://gizmodo.com/holy-crap-is-this-mark-zuckerbergs-embar... ;-)
  - goliatone 7y ago
    Move fast break things mantra
  - tomc1985 7y ago
    It's amazing that asking forgiveness would have any value at all, words are so cheap as to be free; there's little stopping him from saying whatever suits his agenda in that area
- welcomebrand 7y ago
  > Since the beacon, Mark has always been sincerely recognized his mistakes, ask for forgiveness and try to fix those mistakes. Isn't Facebook's MO that they do basically whatever they want and when called out for shady stuff they issue some sincere apology and try again?
mercer 7y ago
I thought FB was generally making clever decisions up until they released, and subsequently deprecated (much of) the Graph API. Despite the many privacy issues that I didn't really think about beforehand, I thought the idea was genius: Facebook becoming a platform that offers a social layer on top of the internet, rather than just another data silo trying to keep users inside. Even with all the privacy issues, I think the original idea has merit and could make Facebook more than just what it is now. And while I haven't thought this through properly, I think it's possible to find a way to pull off much of what they promised while respecting the privacy of their users. Perhaps I'm wrong, and they gave up on the Graph API because they knew what would happen, but I can't help but wonder if the main reason they went the route they did is because of lack of imagination and a desire to 'make money' in a more conventional way (advertising?).
- londons_explore 7y ago
  API's tend to be too hard for users to understand the security and privacy ramifications of. I don't think any new service today can really get away with sharing private user data via an open API, even with explicit user consent.

I find Zuckerberg's decisions largely indistinguishable from what I'd expect of an investor demanding short terms gains over long term vision and sustainability.

skinnymuch 7y ago

Buying IG and Whatsapp doesn’t seem to be in line with what investors would do, is it? Especially the latter. The treatment of Messenger and Whatsapp as well.

ChrisCinelli 7y ago

For sure Mark has made a bunch of decisions looking at the short term gain in his life. But he also did not see or largely underestimated the long term repercussions. We all make mistakes. The important part is to learn from them and do not repeat them. Since the beacon, Mark has always been sincerely recognized his mistakes, ask for forgiveness and try to fix those mistakes. I see maturity and integrity of character in this. Things that the young Zuckerberg did not have (ex: https://techcrunch.com/2011/06/25/im-ceo-bitch/ https://techcrunch.com/2011/06/25/im-ceo-bitch/ and https://i.redd.it/cqyiaxm1j6n01.jpg https://i.redd.it/cqyiaxm1j6n01.jpg ). I find remarkable that was able to quickly grow up and become a better leader.

rhizome 7y ago
As far as I can find he's only asked for forgiveness once, in a Yom Kippur message, and not in relation to any specific mistake(s). Not that I find "forgiveness" to be a legitimate ethical standard, since "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission" has been used to do bad stuff on purpose for a long time.
- ChrisCinelli 7y ago
  I remember this: https://techcrunch.com/2007/12/05/zuckerberg-saves-face-apologies-for-beacon/ https://techcrunch.com/2007/12/05/zuckerberg-saves-face-apol... but yes, he never asked forgiveness for this: https://gizmodo.com/holy-crap-is-this-mark-zuckerbergs-embarrassing-childh-5993535 https://gizmodo.com/holy-crap-is-this-mark-zuckerbergs-embar... ;-)
- goliatone 7y ago
  Move fast break things mantra
- tomc1985 7y ago
  It's amazing that asking forgiveness would have any value at all, words are so cheap as to be free; there's little stopping him from saying whatever suits his agenda in that area
welcomebrand 7y ago
> Since the beacon, Mark has always been sincerely recognized his mistakes, ask for forgiveness and try to fix those mistakes. Isn't Facebook's MO that they do basically whatever they want and when called out for shady stuff they issue some sincere apology and try again?

mercer 7y ago

I thought FB was generally making clever decisions up until they released, and subsequently deprecated (much of) the Graph API. Despite the many privacy issues that I didn't really think about beforehand, I thought the idea was genius: Facebook becoming a platform that offers a social layer on top of the internet, rather than just another data silo trying to keep users inside. Even with all the privacy issues, I think the original idea has merit and could make Facebook more than just what it is now. And while I haven't thought this through properly, I think it's possible to find a way to pull off much of what they promised while respecting the privacy of their users. Perhaps I'm wrong, and they gave up on the Graph API because they knew what would happen, but I can't help but wonder if the main reason they went the route they did is because of lack of imagination and a desire to 'make money' in a more conventional way (advertising?).

londons_explore 7y ago
API's tend to be too hard for users to understand the security and privacy ramifications of. I don't think any new service today can really get away with sharing private user data via an open API, even with explicit user consent.