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I think it's more weird to have enemies.

DoreenMichele 8y ago
If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."
- JudgeWapner 8y ago
  that is the norm, for that person and it's perfectly within his right to announce his experience. You falsely imply that it's anyone's duty to share in the misery of the human race or the consequences that come from believing in the supernatural. And the "priveleged" term is just a dog-whistle for a political agenda that has no place here.
  - CptFribble 8y ago
    If you think "privilege" is only a political dog-whistle, then you must also believe every person is born with equal chance and opportunity without regard for race, gender, or anything else. Can you say that with full intellectual honesty? And what part of being targeted for skin color is a "consequence that come[s] from believing in the supernatural?"
    - JudgeWapner 8y ago
      > then you must also believe if reducing complex issues into simple dichotomies works for you, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. But the fact that you need such crutches tells me all I need to know about this conversation.
  - Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
    Privilege is absolutely a thing, not just a dog whistle. If you're not convinced, try changing your frame of reference. Don't think of white males as being privileged. Trying to convince people of that is often a useless endeavour. Instead, recognize the disadvantage PoC have. Most reasonable people will believe PoC have a harder time than white people. That's what white privilege is. It's not dealing with the additional hardships that PoC deal with. White privilege doesn't mean having the world being handed to you because you're white. It means not having the world taken away just because you're not white.
    - JudgeWapner 8y ago
      quite a patronizing view you have of "PoC".
- kraftman 8y ago
  I guess it depends on how you define enemies. I think that generally an enemy is considered to be someone who is actively hostile towards you in a specific way, rather than just a general way. If you ask someone to name three friends, they wouldn't consider all friendly people, they would consider their actual friends. If you ask someone to name three enemies you would expect them to name specific people they actually know and have interacted with, not specific people that are known to hate their race or belief but they have had no direct interaction with.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    In most cases, you don't actually want to publicize whom you see as personal enemies. It just makes it harder to resolve or minimize the issue while convincing a lot of people you are a paranoid fruitcake. But I imagine lots of minority members et al are keenly aware of specific people who are generally against their minority group who have caused them, personally, harm because of it. If they publicly start their view that "X person personally harmed me" it is usually unprovable and the statement just makes their own problems worse for various reasons. Thus my impression that you must have an awfully cushy life that you are projecting as the norm when there is zero reason to see it as such.
nkrisc 8y ago
You may not have enemies, but someone may consider you their enemy, for any reason they so choose.
InitialLastName 8y ago
It takes a very specific type of person to believe that they, specifically, have enemies.
- Konnstann 8y ago
  Does it? In an age where people will go through 10 years of social media history to discredit someone they have never met, the only way to not have enemies is to never say anything controversial in the public eye. Granted, that's probably a majority of people, but it isn't paranoia to suggest that there are people extreme enough to try to ruin your life just because you have different opinions.
- anigbrowl 8y ago
  Why, do you think conflict only exists in fiction?

If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."

JudgeWapner 8y ago
that is the norm, for that person and it's perfectly within his right to announce his experience. You falsely imply that it's anyone's duty to share in the misery of the human race or the consequences that come from believing in the supernatural. And the "priveleged" term is just a dog-whistle for a political agenda that has no place here.
- CptFribble 8y ago
  If you think "privilege" is only a political dog-whistle, then you must also believe every person is born with equal chance and opportunity without regard for race, gender, or anything else. Can you say that with full intellectual honesty? And what part of being targeted for skin color is a "consequence that come[s] from believing in the supernatural?"
  - JudgeWapner 8y ago
    > then you must also believe if reducing complex issues into simple dichotomies works for you, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. But the fact that you need such crutches tells me all I need to know about this conversation.
- Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
  Privilege is absolutely a thing, not just a dog whistle. If you're not convinced, try changing your frame of reference. Don't think of white males as being privileged. Trying to convince people of that is often a useless endeavour. Instead, recognize the disadvantage PoC have. Most reasonable people will believe PoC have a harder time than white people. That's what white privilege is. It's not dealing with the additional hardships that PoC deal with. White privilege doesn't mean having the world being handed to you because you're white. It means not having the world taken away just because you're not white.
  - JudgeWapner 8y ago
    quite a patronizing view you have of "PoC".
kraftman 8y ago
I guess it depends on how you define enemies. I think that generally an enemy is considered to be someone who is actively hostile towards you in a specific way, rather than just a general way. If you ask someone to name three friends, they wouldn't consider all friendly people, they would consider their actual friends. If you ask someone to name three enemies you would expect them to name specific people they actually know and have interacted with, not specific people that are known to hate their race or belief but they have had no direct interaction with.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  In most cases, you don't actually want to publicize whom you see as personal enemies. It just makes it harder to resolve or minimize the issue while convincing a lot of people you are a paranoid fruitcake. But I imagine lots of minority members et al are keenly aware of specific people who are generally against their minority group who have caused them, personally, harm because of it. If they publicly start their view that "X person personally harmed me" it is usually unprovable and the statement just makes their own problems worse for various reasons. Thus my impression that you must have an awfully cushy life that you are projecting as the norm when there is zero reason to see it as such.

nkrisc 8y ago

You may not have enemies, but someone may consider you their enemy, for any reason they so choose.

InitialLastName 8y ago

It takes a very specific type of person to believe that they, specifically, have enemies.

Konnstann 8y ago
Does it? In an age where people will go through 10 years of social media history to discredit someone they have never met, the only way to not have enemies is to never say anything controversial in the public eye. Granted, that's probably a majority of people, but it isn't paranoia to suggest that there are people extreme enough to try to ruin your life just because you have different opinions.
anigbrowl 8y ago
Why, do you think conflict only exists in fiction?