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> It'd actually be fantastic [...] Either my brain was chosen as a test, [...] or I'm part of a follow-up trial or large-scale roll-out Or your enemies took po

> It'd actually be fantastic [...] Either my brain was chosen as a test, [...] or I'm part of a follow-up trial or large-scale roll-out Or your enemies took power, and when they were going through the vats for payback they picked yours (along with many others). If you think you have no enemies, or that you know them all personally, you are better than me.

sfkdjf9j3j 8y ago
Is it really that weird to not have "enemies"? There I people I wouldn't hang out with or wouldn't work with again, but I don't think I'd consider them enemies.
- fmihaila 8y ago
  > Is it really that weird to not have "enemies"? There I people I wouldn't hang out with or wouldn't work with again, but I don't think I'd consider them enemies. You made the assumption that I considered them enemies, or that they would even know who I am. If I am an identifiable member of the wrong community, social group, or race from the point of view of the mob in power, I don't have to consider them my enemy in order for them to see me (or my family, or friends) as one. Do you want to contemplate the possibility of genocides, of which we have seen plenty in the last 30 years, being replaced by "vaticides"? Because once the technology allows it, it will happen. I've lived through this kind of historic upheaval once already; I know that of which I speak. The point I'm making is that any new technology can and will eventually be used by the wrong people for the wrong reasons, and that the likelihood for that to happen is directly proportional to its potential for good. We better make sure that potential good is really in balance with the potential bad before we commit to bringing it to life (pun intended).
- groby_b 8y ago
  It just means you live in a very privileged world. If, say, you're a black lesbian feminist, you can live the most saintly life, there are plenty of people who are your enemies, and who'd delight at the idea of being able to hurt you. Despite never having anything done to you. Or, if that's too contemporary, you can be the nicest Jewish person in all of Hitler's Germany, and it still wouldn't save you. If that's too Godwin's law, just be poor. There is a good chunk of people who'd be perfectly OK with experimenting on you, just because you're a drain on society's resources. And we can continue on - there are any number of axes along which society separates, and there are always people who consider "the other" an enemy, or, worse, something not even human. Enmity and dehumanization isn't necessarily mutual, but you need a very strong support system to be able to ignore that it still exists.
- kraftman 8y ago
  I think it's more weird to have enemies.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."
    - JudgeWapner 8y ago
      that is the norm, for that person and it's perfectly within his right to announce his experience. You falsely imply that it's anyone's duty to share in the misery of the human race or the consequences that come from believing in the supernatural. And the "priveleged" term is just a dog-whistle for a political agenda that has no place here.
      - CptFribble 8y ago
        If you think "privilege" is only a political dog-whistle, then you must also believe every person is born with equal chance and opportunity without regard for race, gender, or anything else. Can you say that with full intellectual honesty? And what part of being targeted for skin color is a "consequence that come[s] from believing in the supernatural?"
        JudgeWapner 8y ago
        > then you must also believe if reducing complex issues into simple dichotomies works for you, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. But the fact that you need such crutches tells me all I need to know about this conversation.
      - Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
- bradjohnson 8y ago
  It's very weird to think that people would even care enough about a dead person to single out your brain for "payback". Even weirder to think that these people would somehow be in power.
  - itodd 8y ago
    Are seriously forgetting who is currently president?
  - anigbrowl 8y ago
    Read more history. Vindictiveness is a pretty common trait among authoritarians.
  - 0_gravitas 8y ago
    This idea was somewhat explored in Iain M. Banks _surface detail_, after death, your conciousness would be put into a virtual hell if you 'sinned' in your physical life and that the hells were used as a deterrent

sfkdjf9j3j 8y ago

Is it really that weird to not have "enemies"? There I people I wouldn't hang out with or wouldn't work with again, but I don't think I'd consider them enemies.

fmihaila 8y ago
> Is it really that weird to not have "enemies"? There I people I wouldn't hang out with or wouldn't work with again, but I don't think I'd consider them enemies. You made the assumption that I considered them enemies, or that they would even know who I am. If I am an identifiable member of the wrong community, social group, or race from the point of view of the mob in power, I don't have to consider them my enemy in order for them to see me (or my family, or friends) as one. Do you want to contemplate the possibility of genocides, of which we have seen plenty in the last 30 years, being replaced by "vaticides"? Because once the technology allows it, it will happen. I've lived through this kind of historic upheaval once already; I know that of which I speak. The point I'm making is that any new technology can and will eventually be used by the wrong people for the wrong reasons, and that the likelihood for that to happen is directly proportional to its potential for good. We better make sure that potential good is really in balance with the potential bad before we commit to bringing it to life (pun intended).
groby_b 8y ago
It just means you live in a very privileged world. If, say, you're a black lesbian feminist, you can live the most saintly life, there are plenty of people who are your enemies, and who'd delight at the idea of being able to hurt you. Despite never having anything done to you. Or, if that's too contemporary, you can be the nicest Jewish person in all of Hitler's Germany, and it still wouldn't save you. If that's too Godwin's law, just be poor. There is a good chunk of people who'd be perfectly OK with experimenting on you, just because you're a drain on society's resources. And we can continue on - there are any number of axes along which society separates, and there are always people who consider "the other" an enemy, or, worse, something not even human. Enmity and dehumanization isn't necessarily mutual, but you need a very strong support system to be able to ignore that it still exists.
kraftman 8y ago
I think it's more weird to have enemies.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."
  - JudgeWapner 8y ago
    that is the norm, for that person and it's perfectly within his right to announce his experience. You falsely imply that it's anyone's duty to share in the misery of the human race or the consequences that come from believing in the supernatural. And the "priveleged" term is just a dog-whistle for a political agenda that has no place here.
    - CptFribble 8y ago
      If you think "privilege" is only a political dog-whistle, then you must also believe every person is born with equal chance and opportunity without regard for race, gender, or anything else. Can you say that with full intellectual honesty? And what part of being targeted for skin color is a "consequence that come[s] from believing in the supernatural?"
      - JudgeWapner 8y ago
        > then you must also believe if reducing complex issues into simple dichotomies works for you, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. But the fact that you need such crutches tells me all I need to know about this conversation.
    - Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
bradjohnson 8y ago
It's very weird to think that people would even care enough about a dead person to single out your brain for "payback". Even weirder to think that these people would somehow be in power.
- itodd 8y ago
  Are seriously forgetting who is currently president?
- anigbrowl 8y ago
  Read more history. Vindictiveness is a pretty common trait among authoritarians.
- 0_gravitas 8y ago
  This idea was somewhat explored in Iain M. Banks _surface detail_, after death, your conciousness would be put into a virtual hell if you 'sinned' in your physical life and that the hells were used as a deterrent