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I was responding to the claim that Fox is pushing an invasion narrative. The invasion is real and dismissing it doesn't help anyone. Unless you live down there

I was responding to the claim that Fox is pushing an invasion narrative. The invasion is real and dismissing it doesn't help anyone. Unless you live down there or have family that does, you can't comprehend how bad it is down there right now. Maybe we should have livestreams setup so the rest of the country can see it.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
https://www.cato.org/blog/crime-along-mexican-border-lower-rest-country https://www.cato.org/blog/crime-along-mexican-border-lower-r... According to the FBI it's lower. Unless it's changed dramatically in the last 2 years, at which point I'd suggest that maybe this new "tough on immigration" tactic isn't working.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
  So because the crime is lower than certain cities we shouldn't do anything about it? Maybe we should work on decreasing crime at all levels. This problem is preventable, we should work on a solution not ignore it because it's not the worst place in the world. Do not settle for "safe enough", it's an insult to anyone who has suffered a tragedy that could be prevented. edit: to the bottom poster, we should strive for the crime to be as low as possible. A mass shooting doesn't raise the crime rate by any noticeable amount, but they are preventable. The same goes for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. All of those victims could be saved by securing our borders. I wouldn't be throwing away my karma defending this issue if I didn't feel passionately about it. Step outside your bubble and have some perspective.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    No, the crime level is lower in all 23 US/Mexico border counties. And it's not "not the worst place in the world"; it's better than the both US average and the average of all non-border counties. The problem you are alluding to does not, in the actual FBI data, exist.
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
      So we shouldn't do anything about mass shootings because they don't affect the overall crime stats? We should address any crime problem if there is a solution, not ignore it because it didn't make a large overall difference and the city is safer than other cities.
      - tptacek 8y ago
        The statement you made at the top of this thread is literally and simply false. That's all I came here to say.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
        Citing an FBI statistic doesn't make it safe. Just because those cities have a lower crime rate doesn't mean that a crime problem does not exist.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

https://www.cato.org/blog/crime-along-mexican-border-lower-rest-country https://www.cato.org/blog/crime-along-mexican-border-lower-r... According to the FBI it's lower. Unless it's changed dramatically in the last 2 years, at which point I'd suggest that maybe this new "tough on immigration" tactic isn't working.

s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
So because the crime is lower than certain cities we shouldn't do anything about it? Maybe we should work on decreasing crime at all levels. This problem is preventable, we should work on a solution not ignore it because it's not the worst place in the world. Do not settle for "safe enough", it's an insult to anyone who has suffered a tragedy that could be prevented. edit: to the bottom poster, we should strive for the crime to be as low as possible. A mass shooting doesn't raise the crime rate by any noticeable amount, but they are preventable. The same goes for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. All of those victims could be saved by securing our borders. I wouldn't be throwing away my karma defending this issue if I didn't feel passionately about it. Step outside your bubble and have some perspective.
- tptacek 8y ago
  No, the crime level is lower in all 23 US/Mexico border counties. And it's not "not the worst place in the world"; it's better than the both US average and the average of all non-border counties. The problem you are alluding to does not, in the actual FBI data, exist.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
    So we shouldn't do anything about mass shootings because they don't affect the overall crime stats? We should address any crime problem if there is a solution, not ignore it because it didn't make a large overall difference and the city is safer than other cities.
    - tptacek 8y ago
      The statement you made at the top of this thread is literally and simply false. That's all I came here to say.
      - s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
        Citing an FBI statistic doesn't make it safe. Just because those cities have a lower crime rate doesn't mean that a crime problem does not exist.