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> Yo guys, I know this may sound crazy to you, but have you thought about imprisoning those junkies? Indeed, it sounds crazy. In fact, it's very close to the

by jMyles 8y ago

> Yo guys, I know this may sound crazy to you, but have you thought about imprisoning those junkies? Indeed, it sounds crazy. In fact, it's very close to the cliché definition of insanity: what you are proposing has been done over and over again, without a single successful example of prohibition in all of western political history. But more than crazy, what you're suggesting sounds childish, expensive, and complicated. It does not sound like sober thinking about effective public policy to deal with the consequences of addiction. A contrasting approach which is mature, affordable, and simple, is to legalize all plants and to create a controlled, safe market for plant derivatives like heroin. This will have the impact that is most important: it will disrupt the income stream of the drug cartels and dealers who, as I'm sure you already know, share your policy approach quite passionately.

yznovyak 8y ago
I'm claiming that you are not having war on drug. At best you're doing jack shit, at worst you're actually sabotaging the war on drugs. I wrote an exact same response to a sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19682651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19682651
dsr_ 8y ago
Glancing through yznovak's post history, he's a Ukrainian who is very much in favor of the death penalty for using drugs. He doesn't seem to be interested in considering any other alternatives, either.
- yznovyak 8y ago
  I am a Ukrainian, but I also used to live in the US (working for Facebook 2009-2011 living in Palo Alto and regularly visiting San Francisco, and working at Google 2011-2015 living in NYC), I have now returned to Ukraine. A homeless person has thrown shit at me in San Francisco in 2011 around Powell Station. I have been waiting for corporate bus on Market street to take me to Palo Alto and have seen homeless people brazenly smoking weed across the street. I do not believe you guys are doing ANYTHING to fight drugs despite all the claims. I am not against drugs, I have plenty of friends who are responsible users. I am not for death penalty (I think I know which comment you are referring to, that was a Devil's Advocate). edit: as per wikipedia [1] there are ~7k homeless people living in San Francisco. As per the same article it is said that SF spends $241M on homeless people. This averages out to ~34.5k$/year ~= $2870/month. I will never believe that average homeless person is getting $2870 worth of goods and services per month. I'm saying that your homeless program is grossly inefficient. The same way as your drug war is an utter joke. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_San_Francisco_Bay_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_San_Franci...
- rdtsc 8y ago
  > Glancing through yznovak's post history, he's a Ukrainian Hmm. Is that something you do often? Why not just say you disagree with him instead of the need to point out his nationality. That looks like xenophobia at first glance.
  - dsr_ 8y ago
    I'm pointing out that he shouldn't be expected to know the complete history of the American War on Some Drugs. You can check my post history to see if I frequently reference someone's nationality in a context where it isn't directly relevant to the topic at hand. I await your report.
    - rdtsc 8y ago
      > You can check my post history to see if I frequently reference someone's nationality See, I'll take your word for it, because I think it is a little creepy checking people's post history.
      - jMyles 8y ago
        > because I think it is a little creepy checking people's post history. It's not creepy. It's part of having a responsible and informed dialogue.
        rdtsc 8y ago
        How is xenophobia part of having a responsible and informed dialogue. He dug through, found out the person is a different nationality and is not American. Then assumed they are not informed enough (in the best case) to make a valid argument. Which turned out to be wrong because they actually lived and worked in the area and other parts of the US. I failed to see how this was an informed and responsible dialogue. I think we might have a different perception of those terms.
        jMyles 8y ago

by jMyles 8y ago

yznovyak 8y ago

I'm claiming that you are not having war on drug. At best you're doing jack shit, at worst you're actually sabotaging the war on drugs. I wrote an exact same response to a sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19682651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19682651

dsr_ 8y ago

Glancing through yznovak's post history, he's a Ukrainian who is very much in favor of the death penalty for using drugs. He doesn't seem to be interested in considering any other alternatives, either.

yznovyak 8y ago
I am a Ukrainian, but I also used to live in the US (working for Facebook 2009-2011 living in Palo Alto and regularly visiting San Francisco, and working at Google 2011-2015 living in NYC), I have now returned to Ukraine. A homeless person has thrown shit at me in San Francisco in 2011 around Powell Station. I have been waiting for corporate bus on Market street to take me to Palo Alto and have seen homeless people brazenly smoking weed across the street. I do not believe you guys are doing ANYTHING to fight drugs despite all the claims. I am not against drugs, I have plenty of friends who are responsible users. I am not for death penalty (I think I know which comment you are referring to, that was a Devil's Advocate). edit: as per wikipedia [1] there are ~7k homeless people living in San Francisco. As per the same article it is said that SF spends $241M on homeless people. This averages out to ~34.5k$/year ~= $2870/month. I will never believe that average homeless person is getting $2870 worth of goods and services per month. I'm saying that your homeless program is grossly inefficient. The same way as your drug war is an utter joke. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_San_Francisco_Bay_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_San_Franci...
rdtsc 8y ago
> Glancing through yznovak's post history, he's a Ukrainian Hmm. Is that something you do often? Why not just say you disagree with him instead of the need to point out his nationality. That looks like xenophobia at first glance.
- dsr_ 8y ago
  I'm pointing out that he shouldn't be expected to know the complete history of the American War on Some Drugs. You can check my post history to see if I frequently reference someone's nationality in a context where it isn't directly relevant to the topic at hand. I await your report.
  - rdtsc 8y ago
    > You can check my post history to see if I frequently reference someone's nationality See, I'll take your word for it, because I think it is a little creepy checking people's post history.
    - jMyles 8y ago
      > because I think it is a little creepy checking people's post history. It's not creepy. It's part of having a responsible and informed dialogue.
      - rdtsc 8y ago
        How is xenophobia part of having a responsible and informed dialogue. He dug through, found out the person is a different nationality and is not American. Then assumed they are not informed enough (in the best case) to make a valid argument. Which turned out to be wrong because they actually lived and worked in the area and other parts of the US. I failed to see how this was an informed and responsible dialogue. I think we might have a different perception of those terms.
        jMyles 8y ago