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I wonder if Google is self-aware to the fact that majority of webmasters don't give a shit about AMP.

by skilled 8y ago

RHSeeger 8y ago
The other half actively despise it.
- ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
  "Your website has been banned for illegal activity and all content has been deleted. The suspension is immediate and indefinite. Please consider using another Internet" Also, their algorithms mistook live streaming of Notre Dame fires as 9/11 incident. How can live stream be a past incident? https://abcnews.go.com/Business/youtube-mistakenly-flags-notre-dame-fire-videos-911/story?id=62419884 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/youtube-mistakenly-flags-not...
  - Lammy 8y ago
    You are confusing the term “live stream” to mean something actually happening at that moment in the real world. All a “live” stream actually is to Youtube or FB or any other streaming service is just incoming RTMP packets. Youtube matches incoming streams against their ContentID database just as they do for normal uploads. I would bet that the same thing would have happened if the same footage were uploaded normally after the fact. People will use unlisted streams to broadcast pirated content otherwise. I faced a similarly false claim once where me playing Super Mario World on a real life SNES was falsely matched to some major label song, and since it was my third strike (all false) my account got banned from being able to use Youtube Live entirely. In the end I’m kind of glad that happened because it led to me developing my own minimal self-hosted stream site for small friends-only streams, including things Youtube would give legit claims for. My tiny VPS wouldn’t stand up to thousands or probably even dozens of simultaneous viewers like Youtube or the other big names can, but that doesn’t matter at all for me.
    - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
      https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2474026?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2474026?hl=en "YouTube Live is an easy way to reach your audience in real time. Whether you're streaming a video game, hosting a live Q&A, or teaching a class, our tools will help you manage your stream and interact with viewers in real time." Youtube live is supposed to be streaming of live events. My point is that their algorithms incorrectly decided a live stream was a past event. Even google/youtube acknowledged it was incorrect to tag a live event.
notatoad 8y ago
I wonder if any webmasters are self aware that their users like amp
- stephenr 8y ago
  Users like pages that load quickly, which amp is not a requirement for. Amp is designed to tighten googles grip on the web, nothing more.
  - eitally 8y ago
    No it isn't. It's designed to make the user experience better on sites that frequently host Google ads (and also often contain a ton of bloat, 3rd party js, poorly constructed DOMs, awful CSS, etc). The only way Google could proactively "solve" this problem was by creating a "standard", and then also offering to absorb end user traffic for sites that adopted the standard. FWIW, AMP is an open standard not solely owned or contributed to by Google. https://amp.dev/ https://amp.dev/
    - abc-xyz 8y ago
      Why is that the only way? Seems like they could easily have achieved the same result by significantly penalizing sites based on load time and number of external requests.
      - mthoms 8y ago
        This question cuts right to the heart of the matter. I've yet to see a Google engineer, executive, or "fanboy" address this question adequately. This thread will be no exception. Queue the crickets.
        notatoad 8y ago
        A fast load time when a page is indexed does not guarantee a fast load time when it is served up to the actual viewer. Serving the page from cache is the only way to guarantee that the page will still be fast when the user wants to view it.
matz1 8y ago
As a user, I like it.
- electriclove 8y ago
  The thing I didn't like about it was the URL, so I'm glad to see this change!
  - millstone 8y ago
    The experience on iOS remains profoundly buggy. The URL bar doesn't hide properly, scroll-to-top doesn't work, rotation is busted, text selection is wonky, reader mode is disabled. How I wish I could disable this monstrosity.

I wonder if Google is self-aware to the fact that majority of webmasters don't give a shit about AMP.

RHSeeger 8y ago

The other half actively despise it.

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
"Your website has been banned for illegal activity and all content has been deleted. The suspension is immediate and indefinite. Please consider using another Internet" Also, their algorithms mistook live streaming of Notre Dame fires as 9/11 incident. How can live stream be a past incident? https://abcnews.go.com/Business/youtube-mistakenly-flags-notre-dame-fire-videos-911/story?id=62419884 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/youtube-mistakenly-flags-not...
- Lammy 8y ago
  You are confusing the term “live stream” to mean something actually happening at that moment in the real world. All a “live” stream actually is to Youtube or FB or any other streaming service is just incoming RTMP packets. Youtube matches incoming streams against their ContentID database just as they do for normal uploads. I would bet that the same thing would have happened if the same footage were uploaded normally after the fact. People will use unlisted streams to broadcast pirated content otherwise. I faced a similarly false claim once where me playing Super Mario World on a real life SNES was falsely matched to some major label song, and since it was my third strike (all false) my account got banned from being able to use Youtube Live entirely. In the end I’m kind of glad that happened because it led to me developing my own minimal self-hosted stream site for small friends-only streams, including things Youtube would give legit claims for. My tiny VPS wouldn’t stand up to thousands or probably even dozens of simultaneous viewers like Youtube or the other big names can, but that doesn’t matter at all for me.
  - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
    https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2474026?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2474026?hl=en "YouTube Live is an easy way to reach your audience in real time. Whether you're streaming a video game, hosting a live Q&A, or teaching a class, our tools will help you manage your stream and interact with viewers in real time." Youtube live is supposed to be streaming of live events. My point is that their algorithms incorrectly decided a live stream was a past event. Even google/youtube acknowledged it was incorrect to tag a live event.

notatoad 8y ago

I wonder if any webmasters are self aware that their users like amp

stephenr 8y ago
Users like pages that load quickly, which amp is not a requirement for. Amp is designed to tighten googles grip on the web, nothing more.
- eitally 8y ago
  No it isn't. It's designed to make the user experience better on sites that frequently host Google ads (and also often contain a ton of bloat, 3rd party js, poorly constructed DOMs, awful CSS, etc). The only way Google could proactively "solve" this problem was by creating a "standard", and then also offering to absorb end user traffic for sites that adopted the standard. FWIW, AMP is an open standard not solely owned or contributed to by Google. https://amp.dev/ https://amp.dev/
  - abc-xyz 8y ago
    Why is that the only way? Seems like they could easily have achieved the same result by significantly penalizing sites based on load time and number of external requests.
    - mthoms 8y ago
      This question cuts right to the heart of the matter. I've yet to see a Google engineer, executive, or "fanboy" address this question adequately. This thread will be no exception. Queue the crickets.
      - notatoad 8y ago
        A fast load time when a page is indexed does not guarantee a fast load time when it is served up to the actual viewer. Serving the page from cache is the only way to guarantee that the page will still be fast when the user wants to view it.

matz1 8y ago

As a user, I like it.

electriclove 8y ago
The thing I didn't like about it was the URL, so I'm glad to see this change!
- millstone 8y ago
  The experience on iOS remains profoundly buggy. The URL bar doesn't hide properly, scroll-to-top doesn't work, rotation is busted, text selection is wonky, reader mode is disabled. How I wish I could disable this monstrosity.