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Author of LOL here, if there are any questions!

by drcode 8y ago

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Jach 8y ago
What do you think about making a second edition?
- drcode 8y ago
  I would say "Realm of Racket" is really the second edition to "Land of Lisp"- The fact is that most lisp developers now use either Racket Scheme or Clojure, so those are really the only markets that could support a rework of LOL in 2019. I've tried a couple of times in the past to work with someone on a Clojure port, but just haven't been able to make the coauthor+publisher work out right to get it launched.
  - Jach 8y ago
    I'll have to check it out. I'm surprised about your impression of where most lisp developers are in 2019 vs 2010 -- from my (admittedly still rather outsider) perspective the CL ecosystem looks significantly healthier in 2019 than in 2010. Clojure[Script] remains dominant but has lost a lot of steam, Racket took some high-profile Lispers but still doesn't have the production success stories that both CL and Clojure have and language progress is likely to be stalled a while as the transition to a Chez core continues, and CL usage and useful libraries have despite it all grown. The main IRC channel is active, there's a C++ integration story (Clasp), more frequent CL-related HN submissions, the European Lisp Symposium this year had a lot of new first-time attendees, and new books with an emphasis on helping production programmers (e.g. Common Lisp Recipes) were published.
  - bunderbunder 8y ago
    If you ever manage to get that off the ground and onto shelves, that would make me a very happy kiddo. Thanks for writing one of the most enjoyable programming books out there.
  - timClicks 8y ago
    Flick me a message if you're interested in chatting to Manning at any stage
Riverheart 8y ago
Hey Dr Barski. I'm actually reading your book right now. I do have a question. How do you write Lisp effectively? And by that I mean, Lisp seems to be written from the inside out due to the nested lists. Is there something that makes it more natural to write: (trim-string (get-string '(some data))) Or do you need to know that you're going to call trim before you get the string? Hope that makes sense.
- emsimot 8y ago
  Does Common Lisp have something similar to Clojure's threading macros? (trim-string (get-string '(some data))) (-> '(some data) get-string trim-string https://clojure.org/guides/threading_macros https://clojure.org/guides/threading_macros
  - pcr910303 8y ago
    Yes, of course there is... Lisp always has the thing you find :-) https://github.com/hipeta/arrow-macros https://github.com/hipeta/arrow-macros
    - Riverheart 8y ago
      Thanks guys, that macro makes it easier to see the flow :)
- lispm 8y ago
  how do you write it in other languages? sin(cos(10.4)); or v = 10.4; c = cos(v); s = sin(c); in Lisp one might write: (let* ((v 10.4) (c (cos v))) (sin c)) really old style: (prog (v c s) (setq v 10.4) (setq c (cos v)) (setq s (sin c)) s)
  - __rompy 8y ago
    Why not write it as in lisp as: (sin (cos 10.4))
sigttou 8y ago
absolutely loved it, basically learned coding with it. extended the games a lot and even ported them later on to other languages. thanks a lot :)
z3phyr 8y ago
Let Over Lambda is LOL too :) Enjoyed your book, currently teaching my nephew some lisp with it!
kamaal 8y ago
Are you plan to write any new Lisp books? Or any book for that matter? Would be interested in reading anything you write :)
- drcode 8y ago
  I also co-wrote "Bitcoin for the Befuddled" and participated in "Realm of Racket". I am sort of enamoured by other media now (video, animation, interactive web stuff) and if I do anything else it will be in that vein in the future (though I have struggled with akrasia on that front)
Insanity 8y ago
Thanks for the book! It was the reason I finally started to really learn LISP apart from just dabbling with it. It did serve as a great way to get over the "scary-ness" of learning LISP. :)
baruchel 8y ago
Did you draw the pictures yourself? I really like the long final comic story, and several times thought about making some roguelike ascii game with this background (choosing a guild with specific skills, killings various kinds of bugs, etc.), but I am too lazy for having actually written it... Thank you for that!
- drcode 8y ago
  Yes, drew everything myself, took years of my free time given the size of the book :)

Author of LOL here, if there are any questions!

by drcode 8y ago

Author of LOL here, if there are any questions!

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Jach 8y ago

What do you think about making a second edition?

drcode 8y ago
I would say "Realm of Racket" is really the second edition to "Land of Lisp"- The fact is that most lisp developers now use either Racket Scheme or Clojure, so those are really the only markets that could support a rework of LOL in 2019. I've tried a couple of times in the past to work with someone on a Clojure port, but just haven't been able to make the coauthor+publisher work out right to get it launched.
- Jach 8y ago
  I'll have to check it out. I'm surprised about your impression of where most lisp developers are in 2019 vs 2010 -- from my (admittedly still rather outsider) perspective the CL ecosystem looks significantly healthier in 2019 than in 2010. Clojure[Script] remains dominant but has lost a lot of steam, Racket took some high-profile Lispers but still doesn't have the production success stories that both CL and Clojure have and language progress is likely to be stalled a while as the transition to a Chez core continues, and CL usage and useful libraries have despite it all grown. The main IRC channel is active, there's a C++ integration story (Clasp), more frequent CL-related HN submissions, the European Lisp Symposium this year had a lot of new first-time attendees, and new books with an emphasis on helping production programmers (e.g. Common Lisp Recipes) were published.
- bunderbunder 8y ago
  If you ever manage to get that off the ground and onto shelves, that would make me a very happy kiddo. Thanks for writing one of the most enjoyable programming books out there.
- timClicks 8y ago
  Flick me a message if you're interested in chatting to Manning at any stage

Riverheart 8y ago

Hey Dr Barski. I'm actually reading your book right now. I do have a question. How do you write Lisp effectively? And by that I mean, Lisp seems to be written from the inside out due to the nested lists. Is there something that makes it more natural to write: (trim-string (get-string '(some data))) Or do you need to know that you're going to call trim before you get the string? Hope that makes sense.

emsimot 8y ago
Does Common Lisp have something similar to Clojure's threading macros? (trim-string (get-string '(some data))) (-> '(some data) get-string trim-string https://clojure.org/guides/threading_macros https://clojure.org/guides/threading_macros
- pcr910303 8y ago
  Yes, of course there is... Lisp always has the thing you find :-) https://github.com/hipeta/arrow-macros https://github.com/hipeta/arrow-macros
  - Riverheart 8y ago
    Thanks guys, that macro makes it easier to see the flow :)
lispm 8y ago
how do you write it in other languages? sin(cos(10.4)); or v = 10.4; c = cos(v); s = sin(c); in Lisp one might write: (let* ((v 10.4) (c (cos v))) (sin c)) really old style: (prog (v c s) (setq v 10.4) (setq c (cos v)) (setq s (sin c)) s)
- __rompy 8y ago
  Why not write it as in lisp as: (sin (cos 10.4))

sigttou 8y ago

absolutely loved it, basically learned coding with it. extended the games a lot and even ported them later on to other languages. thanks a lot :)

z3phyr 8y ago

Let Over Lambda is LOL too :) Enjoyed your book, currently teaching my nephew some lisp with it!

kamaal 8y ago

Are you plan to write any new Lisp books? Or any book for that matter? Would be interested in reading anything you write :)

drcode 8y ago
I also co-wrote "Bitcoin for the Befuddled" and participated in "Realm of Racket". I am sort of enamoured by other media now (video, animation, interactive web stuff) and if I do anything else it will be in that vein in the future (though I have struggled with akrasia on that front)

Insanity 8y ago

Thanks for the book! It was the reason I finally started to really learn LISP apart from just dabbling with it. It did serve as a great way to get over the "scary-ness" of learning LISP. :)

baruchel 8y ago

Did you draw the pictures yourself? I really like the long final comic story, and several times thought about making some roguelike ascii game with this background (choosing a guild with specific skills, killings various kinds of bugs, etc.), but I am too lazy for having actually written it... Thank you for that!

drcode 8y ago
Yes, drew everything myself, took years of my free time given the size of the book :)