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I thought this too. What about dreamweaver?
by alekratz 8y ago
I thought this too. What about dreamweaver?
- eridius 8y agoDid Dreamweaver support all stages of web development, including uploading to your server? I think that's what Panic is talking about here, how Coda was your one-stop shop for everything, including deploying your site.
- eridius 8y agoI find it really interesting that I've been downvoted into oblivion for asking a question.
- chrismonsanto 8y agoWhen I last used it (early 2000s) it had built-in FTP support
- muglug 8y agoDreamweaver definitely had upload-on-save (not sure if that functionality predated Coda, but it was there the last time I used it in 2008 or so)
- JasonFruit 8y agoWhoa! Look at that goalpost go!
- eridius 8y agoWhat are you talking about? The page was very explicit about what it meant: > It put the tools you needed to make a web page together in one app, and nobody had ever done that before. All I did was ask if Dreamweaver supported one particular aspect of this, given that I'm not familiar with Dreamweaver's features beyond "WYSIWYG editing".
- reaperducer 8y agoMy memory of Dreamweaver was that it didn’t do databases or FTP. It may have added those features later, but I only used it back when .shtml “sheetmetal” was the state of the art.
- kbenson 8y agoI consulted for clients in early 2000 that would use "publish" in Dreamweaver to FTP (and maybe even SFTP[1]) upload their site, from what I recall. 1: I don't remember whether it was FTP over TLS or SSH FTP. You might assume the former, but this was a very weird age for file uploads, and I remember being surprised more than once...
- prawn 8y agoI used CF Studio in the late 1990s and it had FTP/RDS/SourceSafe, some semblance of WYSIWYG, datasources/databases, etc. Can't see how Coda would even come close to being the OG without a very narrow definition of features. Dreamweaver had FTP/etc at various points.
- mosdl 8y agoHomesite had all of those as well.
- duxup 8y agoOh man I remember Homesite. I loved it. Before that I used the old Netscape WISYWIG editor.
- y4mi 8y agowhats WISYWIG? Or is it supposed to be a play on the pronunciation of WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) ?
- Intermernet 8y agoWhat I See Yis What I Get. Obviously...
- duxup 8y agoJust me mistyping WYSIWYG.
- shereadsthenews 8y agoAmaya saved to the origin using either HTTP PUT or WebDAV and it dates from the 90s.
- detaro 8y agoYes. And lots of more purely text-editors also support(ed) that, FTP wasn't an exotic feature.
- _jal 8y agoYes it did, and more! It even came with exploitable binaries, thus earning the distinction of being the first HTML editor to compromise your website for you. https://insecure.org/sploits/Microsoft.frontpage.insecurities.html https://insecure.org/sploits/Microsoft.frontpage.insecuritie... (Edit: I originally said it auto-installed this. I misremembered what was going on and corrected.)
- Crinus 8y agoThis is about Frontpage, the parent post is about Dreamweaver. Also it is misleading, the linked page is about the server-side Frontpage Extensions, if you used Frontpage as an HTML page editor you'd just get a static site which is as secure as any other site made of static HTML files.
- prawn 8y agoI believe so. CF Studio also. Pretty sure I used the latter pre-2000.
- laumars 8y agoIt did. It was actually a really sophisticated tool when it was released but it was more aimed at non-programmers in that it's primary usage was code generation. So those of use who prefer to write the code ourselves would have given it a wide berth.
- lugg 8y agoSomething something history something something repeat it.
- johnbellone 8y agoOr Frontpage.
- smoyer 8y agoAnd kdevelop in the early 2000s (and I think our has another name before that).
- laumars 8y agoDreamweaver and Frontpage were around in the last 90s. I'm pretty sure my first HTML editor (Arachnophobia) which I used in 1995 or 96 sort of era supported those things too. I used to love that editor. It was basically Notepad++ but HTML specific and written long before Notepad++ was a thing. And super fast too what with it being a Windows native application (back then - I think it was since rewritten in Java for whatever reason).
- cmiles74 8y agoHoTMetaL was available pretty early on as well. ~1994-ish? https://www.w3.org/Tools/HoTMetal.html https://www.w3.org/Tools/HoTMetal.html
- snowwrestler 8y agoHaving used Dreamweaver and the original Coda for work, they really weren’t comparable apps. Dreamweaver was all about layout and did complex layout things Coda never did, while Coda made most of the basics of web development (of that era) really easy. For example, connecting to a remote server was a weird proprietary complex thing in Dreamweaver, whereas in Coda it was straight up basic FTP. And Coda even shipped with HTML and CSS reference manuals built in. I used Frontpage a bit too. I have to say the handwringing here over which was “the first” is silly and a waste of time. Coda was, at least for this Mac user, a major step forward from Dreamweaver, Frontpage, etc. Panic is not a threat to Adobe... let them claim what they want IMO. No one needs to defend Dreamweaver. Coda landed in a pretty short window in my web development world, between the end of using Dreamweaver templates, but before using git and local development workflows. I never tried Coda 2; I went to the command line for git and stayed there for nano, vim, SSH, etc.