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Figma has killed the whole 'native mac' benefit in my head. It runs faster than native competitor Sketch, and it does it on any platform, in a browser. Would be

by sxates 7y ago

Figma has killed the whole 'native mac' benefit in my head. It runs faster than native competitor Sketch, and it does it on any platform, in a browser. Would be amazing to have that kind of portability in a dev environment. But I'm interested to see what they've come up with!

anderber 7y ago
100% agree, I would to see a Figma for code.
- reustle 7y ago
  People already have VS Code running in the browser, so I don't think it's a stretch to see official support (or a fork) for highly responsive editing in the browser.
  - anderber 7y ago
    I meant using Web Assembly, not just web technologies: https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-by-3x/ https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-...
- jinglebells 7y ago
  Like Code Server? https://github.com/codercom/code-server https://github.com/codercom/code-server or https://play.nativescript.org/ https://play.nativescript.org/ sort of thing?
  - anderber 7y ago
    I was meaning more like a native-speed like browser app, specifically using Web Assembly: https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-by-3x/ https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-...
Klonoar 7y ago
The thing about "native Mac" is that the Cocoaheads rarely, if ever, are willing to admit that the platform has an insane number of issues, and making certain things performant can sometimes feel like pure wizardry. The Web has too much engineering power behind the stack to really compete against now.
013a 7y ago
I agree. The reality is that electron gets a bad rep because it enables anyone to create "native" application. There are TERRIBLE websites, even many made by very large corporations with otherwise talented developers (cough atlassian cough microsoft), it should come as no surprise there's also be some terrible electron apps. But there are many that are above average among even true native apps (Figma, VSCode, NoSQL Booster, and Spotify come to mind) (Spotify isn't electron afaik, but its all built in web tech). Conversely, there are some seriously garbage native apps out there. I mean, geeze, just go use iTunes. Its old, granted, and some of the store pages make me think they're just embedded websites, but its also embarrassing given its relative simplicity and Apple's resources. Or go use the new News app. "Native" is relative. Nothing is "native", or maybe everything is "native", its just a word that gets thrown around to mean "it doesn't use the platform's first class UI libraries", even though, newsflash, the MacOS UI framework(s) aren't great. Electron can be done better than native. You just need a talented team, like any software project.
tonyedgecombe 7y ago
Haven’t you just handed all your assets to a 3rd party. What happens if they go out of business or change the product in a direction you don’t like or jack up the subscription or delete your account on a whim? I would have thought peoples experience with Adobe would have made them wary of these sort of solutions.
- jasonvorhe 7y ago
  If you want to collabir on project with Sketch, afaik they'll require you to store your content on their cloud offering as well.

by sxates 7y ago

anderber 7y ago

100% agree, I would to see a Figma for code.

reustle 7y ago
People already have VS Code running in the browser, so I don't think it's a stretch to see official support (or a fork) for highly responsive editing in the browser.
- anderber 7y ago
  I meant using Web Assembly, not just web technologies: https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-by-3x/ https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-...
jinglebells 7y ago
Like Code Server? https://github.com/codercom/code-server https://github.com/codercom/code-server or https://play.nativescript.org/ https://play.nativescript.org/ sort of thing?
- anderber 7y ago
  I was meaning more like a native-speed like browser app, specifically using Web Assembly: https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-by-3x/ https://www.figma.com/blog/webassembly-cut-figmas-load-time-...

Klonoar 7y ago

The thing about "native Mac" is that the Cocoaheads rarely, if ever, are willing to admit that the platform has an insane number of issues, and making certain things performant can sometimes feel like pure wizardry. The Web has too much engineering power behind the stack to really compete against now.

013a 7y ago

I agree. The reality is that electron gets a bad rep because it enables anyone to create "native" application. There are TERRIBLE websites, even many made by very large corporations with otherwise talented developers (cough atlassian cough microsoft), it should come as no surprise there's also be some terrible electron apps. But there are many that are above average among even true native apps (Figma, VSCode, NoSQL Booster, and Spotify come to mind) (Spotify isn't electron afaik, but its all built in web tech). Conversely, there are some seriously garbage native apps out there. I mean, geeze, just go use iTunes. Its old, granted, and some of the store pages make me think they're just embedded websites, but its also embarrassing given its relative simplicity and Apple's resources. Or go use the new News app. "Native" is relative. Nothing is "native", or maybe everything is "native", its just a word that gets thrown around to mean "it doesn't use the platform's first class UI libraries", even though, newsflash, the MacOS UI framework(s) aren't great. Electron can be done better than native. You just need a talented team, like any software project.

tonyedgecombe 7y ago

Haven’t you just handed all your assets to a 3rd party. What happens if they go out of business or change the product in a direction you don’t like or jack up the subscription or delete your account on a whim? I would have thought peoples experience with Adobe would have made them wary of these sort of solutions.

jasonvorhe 7y ago
If you want to collabir on project with Sketch, afaik they'll require you to store your content on their cloud offering as well.