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I really like Telsa's mission, but stuff like this is why they get a bad rap. I don't understand why they try to oversell everything. You've got a good product

I really like Telsa's mission, but stuff like this is why they get a bad rap. I don't understand why they try to oversell everything. You've got a good product and are making a positive impact, don't squander it by making claims that can't be backed up.

robertAngst 8y ago
> You've got a good product They have a product their buyers like, but the car doesnt have buttons or a center console. "Good" is in the eye of the beholder. Tesla has a weird situation that despite a product that breaks often and doesn't have niceties, their customers have a high satisfaction.
- grecy 8y ago
  Don't make the mistake of letting your personal preferences or requirements cloud the information available. The cars Telsa make are selling well, so obviously there are people out there that do like them. It doesn't matter what you personally think.
- dominotw 8y ago
  Breaks often?
- m463 8y ago
  > They have a product their buyers like, but the car doesnt have buttons or a center console. You're not the target market. Really it's for people who don't have money for a model s/x who don't care about touchscreens and want to control the car from an app. (fwiw: I'm not the market either, I want a dashboard) What's kind of interesting is looking at older model S cars and searching back for what the UI looked like in the early years vs what it looks like now. Looks loads more modern now. These folks have upgraded their cars like their iphones throughout the years. The "niceties" are software and have just appeared over time.
  - goshx 8y ago
    The Model 3 has a large touch screen. I recommend both of you to just go visit a Tesla store and do a test drive. At least it will help preventing the spread of misinformation.
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Finch2192 8y ago
Are they squandering it by making such claims? How many people do you really think are going to read their claims, then read that their claims are not fully backed up, and then decide to boycott the company? Versus how many people read their claims, and have been reading their previous claims, and are already sucked into Tesla's "Saving the world" narrative. For those people, stuff like this "Impact Report" aren't deciding factors, but are a part of a larger effort at Tesla to imbue a sense of 'higher purpose' or something along those lines. There's little downside to this kind of fluff.
Robotbeat 8y ago
Name a single car maker that doesn't use paid marketing, which always oversells itself. ...and which claims can't be backed up? If you look at average existing ICE vehicle mpg (not counting hybrids and electrics), Tesla used the correct numbers.

robertAngst 8y ago

> You've got a good product They have a product their buyers like, but the car doesnt have buttons or a center console. "Good" is in the eye of the beholder. Tesla has a weird situation that despite a product that breaks often and doesn't have niceties, their customers have a high satisfaction.

grecy 8y ago
Don't make the mistake of letting your personal preferences or requirements cloud the information available. The cars Telsa make are selling well, so obviously there are people out there that do like them. It doesn't matter what you personally think.
dominotw 8y ago
Breaks often?
m463 8y ago
> They have a product their buyers like, but the car doesnt have buttons or a center console. You're not the target market. Really it's for people who don't have money for a model s/x who don't care about touchscreens and want to control the car from an app. (fwiw: I'm not the market either, I want a dashboard) What's kind of interesting is looking at older model S cars and searching back for what the UI looked like in the early years vs what it looks like now. Looks loads more modern now. These folks have upgraded their cars like their iphones throughout the years. The "niceties" are software and have just appeared over time.
- goshx 8y ago
  The Model 3 has a large touch screen. I recommend both of you to just go visit a Tesla store and do a test drive. At least it will help preventing the spread of misinformation.
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Finch2192 8y ago

Are they squandering it by making such claims? How many people do you really think are going to read their claims, then read that their claims are not fully backed up, and then decide to boycott the company? Versus how many people read their claims, and have been reading their previous claims, and are already sucked into Tesla's "Saving the world" narrative. For those people, stuff like this "Impact Report" aren't deciding factors, but are a part of a larger effort at Tesla to imbue a sense of 'higher purpose' or something along those lines. There's little downside to this kind of fluff.

Robotbeat 8y ago

Name a single car maker that doesn't use paid marketing, which always oversells itself. ...and which claims can't be backed up? If you look at average existing ICE vehicle mpg (not counting hybrids and electrics), Tesla used the correct numbers.