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I’m only moving my hands. I can still move my hands while resting my arms. I think you should watch the Soli video again. I’m getting tired of repeating mysel

I’m only moving my hands. I can still move my hands while resting my arms. I think you should watch the Soli video again. I’m getting tired of repeating myself. No affiliation with Google or Soli. I keep repeating it because you seem to to be hung up with the extended arm motion and “gorilla arm” MIT has done some gesture UI work. Don’t know much about it: http://www.pranavmistry.com/projects/sixthsense/ http://www.pranavmistry.com/projects/sixthsense/

teddyh 8y ago
From what I could see from the Soli page, all the video showed people with arms in the air not resting on anything. OK, there’s one quick shot of a resting arm at 3min 36sec on the longer video. But all this is irrelevant to the original issue, which is specifically about large-scale arm-based movements as exemplified by Minority Report. I can’t see how those, specifically, can ever be practical. > I’m getting tired of repeating myself. Repeating what? I asked you upthread if you had seen any gesture-based interfaces which avoided the gorilla arm problem, and you did not answer. > No affiliation with Google or Soli. (Yes, I can see that. I apologize for asking, implying you might have been, when I could easily have looked it up. I deleted the question from my text.) > I keep repeating it because you seem to to be hung up with the extended arm motion and “gorilla arm” Well, you’re the one who specifically wanted “a Minority Report interface”. Which I can’t see ever being practical. Google Soli, perhaps, if used in the small, like you describe, with armrests. Maybe. But not Minority Report or Jarvis. > MIT has done some gesture UI work From what I can tell, that work looks like it’s all 10 years old. Also, from what I have seen in the past, all efforts like those are essentially about creating nifty-looking models for interaction (with stunning visuals and huge wow-factors), and not ergonomic interactions made to be used for any length of time. Indeed, the entire “gorilla arm” jargon term was entirely about how people simply forgot about how different something is if you’re using it for doing real work for 4 hours as opposed to doing a 5 minute demo (or, as it were, a two-minute movie scene).
- melling 8y ago
  No, I didn't specifically want "Minority Report". I clarified that immediately in my first followup. And it's ok if you don't see the value in a gesture UI. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm not really sure why you feel the repeated need to tell me I don't need one.
  - teddyh 8y ago
    > I clarified that immediately in my first followup. Where? I don’t see it. On the contrary, you doubled down by saying “Jarvis”, and gave a link, which, as I said previously, is exactly the same style of interface as in Minority Report, and has the same problem. You also said that you thought that the Soli technology could make the Minority Report interface “achievable”. Later, when we were discussing the Soli interface specifically, you said “I’m only moving my hands. I can still move my hands while resting my arms.”, but you never said that Soli is what you wanted. So if you, contrary to what you originally wrote, don’t want Minority Report and/or Jarvis, what do you want? Soli? That style might possibly work, but I remain skeptical; I would have to be convinced that Soli does not suffer from the gorilla arm problem, since nothing in the Soli demo video seem to show a comfortable mode of working for extended periods, only spiffy short-term interactions.
    - melling 8y ago
      My very next response when I mentioned Google Soli: """ Sure. That was almost 2 decades ago. We've given it some more thought. https://atap.google.com/soli/ https://atap.google.com/soli/ """ I'm asking for a good gesture UI, or at least a good start that can evolve as we learn. I'm not asking for a specific implementation.

teddyh 8y ago

From what I could see from the Soli page, all the video showed people with arms in the air not resting on anything. OK, there’s one quick shot of a resting arm at 3min 36sec on the longer video. But all this is irrelevant to the original issue, which is specifically about large-scale arm-based movements as exemplified by Minority Report. I can’t see how those, specifically, can ever be practical. > I’m getting tired of repeating myself. Repeating what? I asked you upthread if you had seen any gesture-based interfaces which avoided the gorilla arm problem, and you did not answer. > No affiliation with Google or Soli. (Yes, I can see that. I apologize for asking, implying you might have been, when I could easily have looked it up. I deleted the question from my text.) > I keep repeating it because you seem to to be hung up with the extended arm motion and “gorilla arm” Well, you’re the one who specifically wanted “a Minority Report interface”. Which I can’t see ever being practical. Google Soli, perhaps, if used in the small, like you describe, with armrests. Maybe. But not Minority Report or Jarvis. > MIT has done some gesture UI work From what I can tell, that work looks like it’s all 10 years old. Also, from what I have seen in the past, all efforts like those are essentially about creating nifty-looking models for interaction (with stunning visuals and huge wow-factors), and not ergonomic interactions made to be used for any length of time. Indeed, the entire “gorilla arm” jargon term was entirely about how people simply forgot about how different something is if you’re using it for doing real work for 4 hours as opposed to doing a 5 minute demo (or, as it were, a two-minute movie scene).

melling 8y ago
No, I didn't specifically want "Minority Report". I clarified that immediately in my first followup. And it's ok if you don't see the value in a gesture UI. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm not really sure why you feel the repeated need to tell me I don't need one.
- teddyh 8y ago
  > I clarified that immediately in my first followup. Where? I don’t see it. On the contrary, you doubled down by saying “Jarvis”, and gave a link, which, as I said previously, is exactly the same style of interface as in Minority Report, and has the same problem. You also said that you thought that the Soli technology could make the Minority Report interface “achievable”. Later, when we were discussing the Soli interface specifically, you said “I’m only moving my hands. I can still move my hands while resting my arms.”, but you never said that Soli is what you wanted. So if you, contrary to what you originally wrote, don’t want Minority Report and/or Jarvis, what do you want? Soli? That style might possibly work, but I remain skeptical; I would have to be convinced that Soli does not suffer from the gorilla arm problem, since nothing in the Soli demo video seem to show a comfortable mode of working for extended periods, only spiffy short-term interactions.
  - melling 8y ago
    My very next response when I mentioned Google Soli: """ Sure. That was almost 2 decades ago. We've given it some more thought. https://atap.google.com/soli/ https://atap.google.com/soli/ """ I'm asking for a good gesture UI, or at least a good start that can evolve as we learn. I'm not asking for a specific implementation.