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While we are on the subject, shall we go over Apple caving in to Prism participation shortly after Jobs death? Have Tim Cook pulled them out by any chance? Or

by eps 8y ago

While we are on the subject, shall we go over Apple caving in to Prism participation shortly after Jobs death? Have Tim Cook pulled them out by any chance? Or are they still siphoning off pretty much everything feds want that way despite all their very hard and very public stance against the FBI? It might be not acceptable in court per se, but it does put their "pro-privacy stance" in perspective.

lern_too_spel 8y ago
Apple didn't "participate in PRISM." The only participants in PRISM are the FBI, the NSA, and government contractors that implemented the PRISM system, as the slides clearly show: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-7.jpg http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-...
- eps 8y ago
  PotatA-potatO. They are knowingly leaking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#Media_disclosure_of_PRISM https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)... (includes your slide in a proper context)
  - Anechoic 8y ago
    The slide shows that NSA was collecting data from those providers, not that the providers willingly supplied the data. When someone steals from you, the victim didn't "knowingly" give the property away.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    No, they knowingly complied with individual users' data requests from the FBI. That is not leaking. You seem to believe PRISM has access to a lot more data than it actually does. Greenwald, out of an abundance of incompetence, believed that DITU was a device in the companies' datacenters. DITU is a division of the FBI, not a device. Edit: downvotes are causing hn to prevent me from responding, but the sibling comment from Anechoic is also wrong. That is not what the slide shows. The linked slide shows that PRISM ingested data legally obtained by the FBI.
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    - Anechoic 8y ago
      Generally when this debate comes up, folks point to this [0] slide as evidence that Apple was a willing participant when is says no such thing. You are correct that the slide you linked to indicates that the data were flowing through the FBI DITU. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)...
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        PRISM is a data processing system that ingests data that the FBI already has. There is nothing in that system for Apple to participate in, willingly or unwillingly.
  - egwynn 8y ago
    Potata?

by eps 8y ago

lern_too_spel 8y ago

Apple didn't "participate in PRISM." The only participants in PRISM are the FBI, the NSA, and government contractors that implemented the PRISM system, as the slides clearly show: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-7.jpg http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-...

eps 8y ago
PotatA-potatO. They are knowingly leaking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#Media_disclosure_of_PRISM https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)... (includes your slide in a proper context)
- Anechoic 8y ago
  The slide shows that NSA was collecting data from those providers, not that the providers willingly supplied the data. When someone steals from you, the victim didn't "knowingly" give the property away.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  No, they knowingly complied with individual users' data requests from the FBI. That is not leaking. You seem to believe PRISM has access to a lot more data than it actually does. Greenwald, out of an abundance of incompetence, believed that DITU was a device in the companies' datacenters. DITU is a division of the FBI, not a device. Edit: downvotes are causing hn to prevent me from responding, but the sibling comment from Anechoic is also wrong. That is not what the slide shows. The linked slide shows that PRISM ingested data legally obtained by the FBI.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - Anechoic 8y ago
    Generally when this debate comes up, folks point to this [0] slide as evidence that Apple was a willing participant when is says no such thing. You are correct that the slide you linked to indicates that the data were flowing through the FBI DITU. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)...
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      PRISM is a data processing system that ingests data that the FBI already has. There is nothing in that system for Apple to participate in, willingly or unwillingly.
- egwynn 8y ago
  Potata?