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Why is it that you can just dismiss the hesitancy of more than a hundred researchers with PhD's in a wide range of relevant disciplines who have made careers ou

Why is it that you can just dismiss the hesitancy of more than a hundred researchers with PhD's in a wide range of relevant disciplines who have made careers out of studying this kind of thing by simply posting a comment saying "it's all nonsense"? https://emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal https://emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal ctrl-f for "PhD" shows 126 results on the page. Electromagnetic radiation is used as a signaling medium for countless lifeforms on earth, including the cells and microbes in our own bodies. Imagine if some alien creature decided they wanted to flash relatively bright blue light across the entire surface planet, day and night at frequencies that known to induce epileptic seizures. It'd affect your quality of life and mine. For some people, it'd be devastating. Just because we can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. I fail to see how a blanket dismissal of peoples concerns, however uninformed many of them may be, counts as "rational"!

xxpor 8y ago
>ctrl-f for "PhD" shows 126 results on the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority Show me one species that uses GHz signalling.
cloakandswagger 8y ago
I can find 100 crackpot scientists as easily as I can find 100 crackpot doctors or mathematicians. Instead of appeals to authority, why can't we work with the facts and evidence that we have already (those overwhelmingly disproving the health hazards of 5G)? "Peoples concerns" equate to the desire to halt all human progress out of some bizarre mix of paranoia and Neo-Luddism.
- throwaway995669 8y ago
  That's an ad hominem attack. It's an inconvenient possibility (not going to call it truth) that our technology might be hurting us. We're addicted to technology the same way smokers are addicted to nicotine. Smoking was at one time considered healthy and promoted by doctors, and now where are we?
  - neuronic 8y ago
    Technology is a religion to this forum, so good luck convincing others that electromagnetic radiation might have an impact on human biology that is not well understood. If it doesn't cook you like microwaves or causes radiation sickness 3 hours after exposure it is immediately declared universally safe. Of course that's negligent at best. Looks like we will live through in vivo testing for those questions, I suppose.
    - throwaway995669 8y ago
      Yep, totally get it. That's why I'm using a throwaway, I'm a heretic to the highest, on the level of an anti-vaxxer.
- hutzlibu 8y ago
  "why can't we work with the facts and evidence that we have already (those overwhelmingly disproving the health hazards of 5G)?" Yeah well, I'd like to see that overwhelming evidence please. But since, I am not a biologist nor physicist, I could not really examine it in detail. So I would have to believe the authorative power of the experts who day it is all good. Then I compare the arguments to the experts who say yes.
ffellow 8y ago
>ctrl-f for "PhD" shows 126 results on the page. I took a random one for the country I live in: According to wikipedia, this person who got his PhD in 1973 and has since retired has done research in 'quantum philosophy and spirituality'. The second one, retired also, is a biologist who researched subterranean mammals. He and his team got an Ig-Nobel price in 2014 for their finding that dogs align themselves to earth's magnetic field when pooping. I'm not sure I want to continue.
- adsfqwop 8y ago
  > that dogs align themselves to earth's magnetic field when pooping. Well actually that seems like relevant information for this topic, because if that is true it means that dogs can sense magnetic fields. And as we know RF waves are composed of both an electric and magnetic component. So this guy might actually know something that the rest of us do not know. If dogs can sense magnetic fields, it means electromagnetic radiation could have an unknown impact on their sense of direction. Sounds important to me. Here's another guy that seems to know what he is talking about. Prof. Olle Johansson, Ph.D., Dept. of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, Sweden Seems like someone you might want to listen to, especially since he has participated in several studies on this subject: https://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/the-work-of-olle-johansson/ https://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/the-work-of-olle-johansso... You can also find his talks on the subject on Youtube, which I suggest people watch. They are very easy to listen to, and provides a good introduction to these topics. Then we have this guy: Dr. Paul Héroux, Ph.D., Director, Occupational Health Program, McGill University; InvitroPlus Labs, Royal Victoria Hospital, McGill University, Canada He was commissioned by the electrical power companies to actually invent the RF dosimeter in 1991, that many use now to gauge exposure levels. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1930308 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1930308 I'd certainly want to know what he has to say. Let's look at some of the rest: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=H%C3%A9roux%20P%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=28851584 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=H%C3%A9roux%20P%5B... Several publications relating EMF exposure. I think we want to know what he has to say also. So perhaps you should not have give up so easily, and continued to look a little further instead. We want to look for the people who have the expertise in this field, and listen to what they have to say. To finish off, I'd like to know where are the scientists that have studied this subject as extensively as someone like Heroux or Johansson, and are willing to sign their names on a pledge of microwave safety for all of humanity. I haven't seen such a list. "The 5G recommendation for global irradiation. Go ahead, we take responsibility for full irradiation." In fact there is no such recommendation, as both insurance companies and even the cellular manufacturers are increasingly distancing themselves from liability. That's what I call a clue.

xxpor 8y ago

>ctrl-f for "PhD" shows 126 results on the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority Show me one species that uses GHz signalling.

cloakandswagger 8y ago

I can find 100 crackpot scientists as easily as I can find 100 crackpot doctors or mathematicians. Instead of appeals to authority, why can't we work with the facts and evidence that we have already (those overwhelmingly disproving the health hazards of 5G)? "Peoples concerns" equate to the desire to halt all human progress out of some bizarre mix of paranoia and Neo-Luddism.

throwaway995669 8y ago
That's an ad hominem attack. It's an inconvenient possibility (not going to call it truth) that our technology might be hurting us. We're addicted to technology the same way smokers are addicted to nicotine. Smoking was at one time considered healthy and promoted by doctors, and now where are we?
- neuronic 8y ago
  Technology is a religion to this forum, so good luck convincing others that electromagnetic radiation might have an impact on human biology that is not well understood. If it doesn't cook you like microwaves or causes radiation sickness 3 hours after exposure it is immediately declared universally safe. Of course that's negligent at best. Looks like we will live through in vivo testing for those questions, I suppose.
  - throwaway995669 8y ago
    Yep, totally get it. That's why I'm using a throwaway, I'm a heretic to the highest, on the level of an anti-vaxxer.
hutzlibu 8y ago
"why can't we work with the facts and evidence that we have already (those overwhelmingly disproving the health hazards of 5G)?" Yeah well, I'd like to see that overwhelming evidence please. But since, I am not a biologist nor physicist, I could not really examine it in detail. So I would have to believe the authorative power of the experts who day it is all good. Then I compare the arguments to the experts who say yes.

ffellow 8y ago

>ctrl-f for "PhD" shows 126 results on the page. I took a random one for the country I live in: According to wikipedia, this person who got his PhD in 1973 and has since retired has done research in 'quantum philosophy and spirituality'. The second one, retired also, is a biologist who researched subterranean mammals. He and his team got an Ig-Nobel price in 2014 for their finding that dogs align themselves to earth's magnetic field when pooping. I'm not sure I want to continue.

adsfqwop 8y ago
> that dogs align themselves to earth's magnetic field when pooping. Well actually that seems like relevant information for this topic, because if that is true it means that dogs can sense magnetic fields. And as we know RF waves are composed of both an electric and magnetic component. So this guy might actually know something that the rest of us do not know. If dogs can sense magnetic fields, it means electromagnetic radiation could have an unknown impact on their sense of direction. Sounds important to me. Here's another guy that seems to know what he is talking about. Prof. Olle Johansson, Ph.D., Dept. of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, Sweden Seems like someone you might want to listen to, especially since he has participated in several studies on this subject: https://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/the-work-of-olle-johansson/ https://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/the-work-of-olle-johansso... You can also find his talks on the subject on Youtube, which I suggest people watch. They are very easy to listen to, and provides a good introduction to these topics. Then we have this guy: Dr. Paul Héroux, Ph.D., Director, Occupational Health Program, McGill University; InvitroPlus Labs, Royal Victoria Hospital, McGill University, Canada He was commissioned by the electrical power companies to actually invent the RF dosimeter in 1991, that many use now to gauge exposure levels. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1930308 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1930308 I'd certainly want to know what he has to say. Let's look at some of the rest: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=H%C3%A9roux%20P%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=28851584 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=H%C3%A9roux%20P%5B... Several publications relating EMF exposure. I think we want to know what he has to say also. So perhaps you should not have give up so easily, and continued to look a little further instead. We want to look for the people who have the expertise in this field, and listen to what they have to say. To finish off, I'd like to know where are the scientists that have studied this subject as extensively as someone like Heroux or Johansson, and are willing to sign their names on a pledge of microwave safety for all of humanity. I haven't seen such a list. "The 5G recommendation for global irradiation. Go ahead, we take responsibility for full irradiation." In fact there is no such recommendation, as both insurance companies and even the cellular manufacturers are increasingly distancing themselves from liability. That's what I call a clue.