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https://msmagazine.com/2013/09/06/a-guy-is-a-man-is-a-guy/ https://msmagazine.com/2013/09/06/a-guy-is-a-man-is-a-guy/ > Thought Experiment #1: Imagine a room f

• scintill76 8y ago
  Experiment #2: Someone says, "OK, I want you guys to stand up." with no particular emphasis on any word or looking at particular people. Did something different happen? I think that's closer to the original post's usage. If you say it the way it's naturally said instead of the strawman way in this article, it's not explicitly gendered or exclusive, maybe just a little implicitly. Reason enough to dispose with it I guess, but let's argue from reality not a made-up caricature.
  • bargl 8y ago
    This is a really good point. The usage of the term really ads clarity to it's usage. You guys - gender neutral. The guys - gender specific. I think a lot of people who are annoyed by the term guys don't like the fact that there is a word that has both gender neutral and gender specific definitions being used as gender neutral. Dudes is another one. Spanish has an explanation for this (which i think is what people are frustrated by). Ellos => them male Ellas => them female Ellos => a group of 10 women with one man in the bunch
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• kraftman 8y ago
  I think there's a distinction between 'you guys' and 'the guys', just like there's a difference between 'my baby' and 'the baby' in songs. If I said 'I want you guys to all stand up' I would expect everyone to stand up, if I said 'I want all the guys to stand up' I would expect only males to stand.