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I really think that Mathematica and Matlab failed to capitalize on the rise of AI and ML in the last decade. Seems like Python is the only go-to language these

I really think that Mathematica and Matlab failed to capitalize on the rise of AI and ML in the last decade. Seems like Python is the only go-to language these fields.

tableofzero 7y ago
Mathematica has some great machine learning tools https://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning.html https://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning... it looks like the have added even more http://www.wolfram.com/language/new-in-12/ http://www.wolfram.com/language/new-in-12/
marmaduke 7y ago
It has typical Keras net types and algos and nice interactive widgets for watching it run. It works on CUDA as well.
layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
They’re proprietary, so it’s a good thing.
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  and python is a jumbled mess of versions, package managers, packages, distributions, etc. that isn't a good thing either.
  - layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
    Which perfectly illustrates how important being free and open source is. In spite of not having commercial support and versioning shenangians, people still choose Python over the commercial alternatives.
    - jazzyjackson 7y ago
      I mean, since Wolfram is a valuable company it's clear plenty of people choose commercial software over their free alternatives
      - 4ad 7y ago
        People use Mathematica and Python for completely different things. By and large they don't compete.
        4thaccount 7y ago
        Yes and No. If you ignore Python being a powerhouse in the scripting world and just focus on numerical stuff like matrix and symbolic math, both Python and Mathematica have that. Some people like myself that love Python and know how to use it and Numpy bought Mathematica licenses. I still use Python for scripting, but I've moved most exploratory work to Mathematica. I miss Python's Spyder IDE, but with Mathematica I can enter equations into Notebooks much more elegantly than having to do OO code which looks significantly different than the math.
    - badsectoracula 7y ago
      The vast majority of people want stuff for free, there isn't any grand reasoning beyond that for choosing Python.
stabbles 7y ago
Julia is a great choice as well: https://julialang.org/blog/2018/12/ml-language-compiler https://julialang.org/blog/2018/12/ml-language-compiler
- thanatropism 7y ago
  It's a winner-take-it-all situation, though. R is already struggling as a strong second-placer. What's more: the numerics stack in JavaScript is being modeled after the Python style, so when we're all dragged kicking and screaming to node (UMAP is already implemented in js and that came out when?), those who have cut their teeth on numpy and pandas will be a little less stranded.

I really think that Mathematica and Matlab failed to capitalize on the rise of AI and ML in the last decade. Seems like Python is the only go-to language these fields.

tableofzero 7y ago

Mathematica has some great machine learning tools https://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning.html https://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning... it looks like the have added even more http://www.wolfram.com/language/new-in-12/ http://www.wolfram.com/language/new-in-12/

marmaduke 7y ago

It has typical Keras net types and algos and nice interactive widgets for watching it run. It works on CUDA as well.

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago

They’re proprietary, so it’s a good thing.

nikofeyn 7y ago
and python is a jumbled mess of versions, package managers, packages, distributions, etc. that isn't a good thing either.
- layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
  Which perfectly illustrates how important being free and open source is. In spite of not having commercial support and versioning shenangians, people still choose Python over the commercial alternatives.
  - jazzyjackson 7y ago
    I mean, since Wolfram is a valuable company it's clear plenty of people choose commercial software over their free alternatives
    - 4ad 7y ago
      People use Mathematica and Python for completely different things. By and large they don't compete.
      - 4thaccount 7y ago
        Yes and No. If you ignore Python being a powerhouse in the scripting world and just focus on numerical stuff like matrix and symbolic math, both Python and Mathematica have that. Some people like myself that love Python and know how to use it and Numpy bought Mathematica licenses. I still use Python for scripting, but I've moved most exploratory work to Mathematica. I miss Python's Spyder IDE, but with Mathematica I can enter equations into Notebooks much more elegantly than having to do OO code which looks significantly different than the math.
  - badsectoracula 7y ago
    The vast majority of people want stuff for free, there isn't any grand reasoning beyond that for choosing Python.

stabbles 7y ago

Julia is a great choice as well: https://julialang.org/blog/2018/12/ml-language-compiler https://julialang.org/blog/2018/12/ml-language-compiler

thanatropism 7y ago
It's a winner-take-it-all situation, though. R is already struggling as a strong second-placer. What's more: the numerics stack in JavaScript is being modeled after the Python style, so when we're all dragged kicking and screaming to node (UMAP is already implemented in js and that came out when?), those who have cut their teeth on numpy and pandas will be a little less stranded.