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Ryzen R1000 SoC offers dual Zen and triple Vega cores with a 12-25W TDP

120 points by vanburen 8y ago

snvzz 8y ago
If AMD can afford to announce this now rather than 1st of May, which is their 50th anniversary, it suggests they have seriously impressive announcements to make in the anniversary event.
- kllrnohj 8y ago
  Why? This doesn't look like anything new. It's just a cut down, low power variant of old, existing tech (zen, 14nm, vega - we've all heard this story for the last 2 years). It's kinda cool, but it's not worthy of an event of any kind, either. The article words it really badly for some reason. For example "dual quad-threaded cores" - except it isn't, it's dual dual-threaded cores, more commonly just referred to as 2c/4t. And calling it "triple vega cores" sounds cooler than the "vega 3" it actually is. Slightly faster than Intel's i3-8145U from Q3 last year (also 2c/4t), but same basic product & capabilities as those that have been on the market for years. Only semi-interesting part is the dual 10gbe. Cost on that would be the interesting part if this suddenly results in a new lineup of consumer NAS products with cheap 10gbe options.
  - type0 8y ago
    ECC memory support in such a small package is interesting. I I don't have high hope that we'll get a consumer lineup and buying the industrial pc is usually not worth it if you need to build a NAS.
    - rjsw 8y ago
      That isn't totally new, I have a version of HP MicroServer with an AMD CPU that has ECC memory.
    - kllrnohj 8y ago
      > ECC memory support in such a small package is interesting Intel has been equipping Atom SoCs with ECC support for a while now. For example the Atom c3950 - 16 cores, ecc memory, 24w TDP, and a tray price of $389.00 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97940/intel-atom-processor-c3950-16m-cache-up-to-2-20-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97940/i... You'll find all sorts of fun supermicro boards using Atom CPUs in this series at reasonable-enough retail prices, even. > buying the industrial pc is usually not worth it if you need to build a NAS I was more thinking Synology or Qnap consumer/SOHO NAS products, not DIY NAS.
      - type0 8y ago
        > I was more thinking Synology or Qnap consumer/SOHO NAS products, Yeah, lets just hope so. Why I was skeptical is that the margins is so low in consumer products that good hardware is often not even given a consideration by the producers. Although that might be changing as consumers get more and more educated and start to demand more from the companies.
  - zepearl 8y ago
    I'd love 10gbe. I was just transferring 320GBs until a few minutes ago and it took more or less 1h until it was done :(
    - kllrnohj 8y ago
      fwiw there's oodles of cheap, used 10gb expansion cards on the market these days if you got a spare PCI-E slot (just search ebay for like the mellanox connectx-3 or connectx-2). Switches with 2+ 10gb ports are also quite affordable now, too, like the CSS326-24G-2S+RM which has 2 SFP+ (10gb) ports for $140. Cheap enough to get you a NAS & a primary PC on 10gb anyway. 10GBaseT is still super expensive, though, unfortunately.
      - snvzz 8y ago
        I'd want a nbase-t managed (at least vlans) switch, but no dice.
dragontamer 8y ago
Practically speaking, most people who want this tech probably should just get an AMD laptop (Ryzen 2500U), or build a AM4 MicroATX PC build. Your typical Ryzen 5 2400G is quad-core, 3.5 GHz (3.9 Boost) with 8x Vega EUs. Typical builds would be around 20W to 70W (https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-the-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review/13 https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-t...). Its hard to beat a standard PC build in cost, flexibility, and performance. Ryzen 5 3500U laptops are under $600. Quite bad specs (as any other $600 laptop would be: 720p, Hard Drive, etc. etc), but yes they are available. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP8Z20670 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP8Z20... . The 3500U also is quad-core with 8x Vega EUs. For those with power and size restrictions, as well as the need for a long-term embedded solution... this R1000 SoC will fit their bill. Digital signage, Casino slot machines, etc. etc. -------- For those with supercomputing needs, Vega 64 and Radeon VII have 64x Vega execution units. Even a RX 580 GPU has 36x EUs (just ~$200).
- rstuart4133 8y ago
  This is not for laptops. Its a replacement for the GX-424CC SoC, which is used in things like this: https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet/fitlet-t/ https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet/fitlet-t/ I use them everywhere. User $400 sans HDD and RAM, fanless, under 30W total draw, can drive 2 HDMI, displays 2 Ethernet ports, WiFi, 8 x USB and a whole pile of other stuff that escapes me now, all driven by the SoC. 5 year warranty minimum, long term support, when I've returned one I was sent a new one no questions asked, Debian Stable just runs on it. Very similar to the cheap Chinese NUC clones you see on EBay and Amazon, but not quite so cheap and built to HP / Dell type server standards. Note the claim on that page: "outperforms IPC2 with Intel Core-i3 yet has 30% lower price". That may have been true, but it's and old chipset and it's not true any more. It still pisses all over what a couple of cloud VPS's can do, but it's painfully obvious when doing something like video transcending for security cameras. I've been waiting for since the announcement of the Zen arch. It's been a long while in coming, but that usually is the case for industrial SoC's.
- prolepunk 8y ago
  Thinkpad E485 seems like a nice little machine that satisfies my main requirement -- any kind of upgradability. Other than disappointing 720p camera and one USB 2.0 port (why not USB3???), everything else looks ok: * 14" 1080p IPS (is an option, which should be checked off) * Upgradable RAM (Up to 32GB) * 2.5" bay * Upgradable NVME (128GB standard option) * Weight 1.75Kg -- I can deal with that. Ultrabooks are ~1 kg. This seems reasonable.
benj111 8y ago
"Early adopters include Atari, which is using it for its VCS" Wasn't aware of this before! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_(2019_console) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_(2019_console)
- phjesusthatguy3 8y ago
  I wouldn't get your hopes up. The Register (I know people have opinions about The Register) reported on Atari's press reveal last year[0] and the VCS wasn't actually a thing. So Atari tried to call them out on it, and they posted their recordings of the event. I personally don't need another TV-connected video game system, and I did enjoy my playthrough of Alone in the Dark (Infogrames is calling themselves Atari these days) but I'm not buying one. [0]https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/atari_lempty_box/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/atari_lempty_box/ [1]https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/21/atari_interview_in_full/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/21/atari_interview_in_...
- rasz 8y ago
  Its a scam, https://cupodcast.podbean.com/ https://cupodcast.podbean.com/ has been covering it for 2 years now.
ac29 8y ago
I wonder if pc-engines will come out with a new board based on this. The APU platform is getting a bit long in the tooth.
- tatersolid 8y ago
  The real cost for 10GbE is the switches. Even the cheapest NeatGear supporting 10GBASE-T is like $2600
- MisterTea 8y ago
  I asked Pascal Dornier about the V1000 and was told that the TDP of the newer SoC's is well outside of the cooling capacity of the standard APU case so it's a no-go. The current APU2 g SoC TDP is 6.5W where as the V/R SoC's start at 12W. I also asked about a version with audio, video and socketed ram and was again told no. The reasons were A. little demand and the market is already saturated, B. Socketed RAM is not as easy to implement as you think, C. HDMI licensing is expensive for a small company, D. AMD does not give them good support.
floatboth 8y ago
> dual quad-threaded cores ooh, is that the first SMT4 on an amd64 processor?
- aristophenes 8y ago
  I think that was an awkward way to say a 2 core, 4 thread CPU. IE 2 threads per core. https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2019-04-16-amd-expands-embedded-product-family-adds-design-wins-and-customers-new https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2019-04-16-amd-expands...

120 points by vanburen 8y ago

If AMD can afford to announce this now rather than 1st of May, which is their 50th anniversary, it suggests they have seriously impressive announcements to make in the anniversary event.

kllrnohj 8y ago
Why? This doesn't look like anything new. It's just a cut down, low power variant of old, existing tech (zen, 14nm, vega - we've all heard this story for the last 2 years). It's kinda cool, but it's not worthy of an event of any kind, either. The article words it really badly for some reason. For example "dual quad-threaded cores" - except it isn't, it's dual dual-threaded cores, more commonly just referred to as 2c/4t. And calling it "triple vega cores" sounds cooler than the "vega 3" it actually is. Slightly faster than Intel's i3-8145U from Q3 last year (also 2c/4t), but same basic product & capabilities as those that have been on the market for years. Only semi-interesting part is the dual 10gbe. Cost on that would be the interesting part if this suddenly results in a new lineup of consumer NAS products with cheap 10gbe options.
- type0 8y ago
  ECC memory support in such a small package is interesting. I I don't have high hope that we'll get a consumer lineup and buying the industrial pc is usually not worth it if you need to build a NAS.
  - rjsw 8y ago
    That isn't totally new, I have a version of HP MicroServer with an AMD CPU that has ECC memory.
  - kllrnohj 8y ago
    > ECC memory support in such a small package is interesting Intel has been equipping Atom SoCs with ECC support for a while now. For example the Atom c3950 - 16 cores, ecc memory, 24w TDP, and a tray price of $389.00 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97940/intel-atom-processor-c3950-16m-cache-up-to-2-20-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97940/i... You'll find all sorts of fun supermicro boards using Atom CPUs in this series at reasonable-enough retail prices, even. > buying the industrial pc is usually not worth it if you need to build a NAS I was more thinking Synology or Qnap consumer/SOHO NAS products, not DIY NAS.
    - type0 8y ago
      > I was more thinking Synology or Qnap consumer/SOHO NAS products, Yeah, lets just hope so. Why I was skeptical is that the margins is so low in consumer products that good hardware is often not even given a consideration by the producers. Although that might be changing as consumers get more and more educated and start to demand more from the companies.
- zepearl 8y ago
  I'd love 10gbe. I was just transferring 320GBs until a few minutes ago and it took more or less 1h until it was done :(
  - kllrnohj 8y ago
    fwiw there's oodles of cheap, used 10gb expansion cards on the market these days if you got a spare PCI-E slot (just search ebay for like the mellanox connectx-3 or connectx-2). Switches with 2+ 10gb ports are also quite affordable now, too, like the CSS326-24G-2S+RM which has 2 SFP+ (10gb) ports for $140. Cheap enough to get you a NAS & a primary PC on 10gb anyway. 10GBaseT is still super expensive, though, unfortunately.
    - snvzz 8y ago
      I'd want a nbase-t managed (at least vlans) switch, but no dice.

dragontamer 8y ago

Practically speaking, most people who want this tech probably should just get an AMD laptop (Ryzen 2500U), or build a AM4 MicroATX PC build. Your typical Ryzen 5 2400G is quad-core, 3.5 GHz (3.9 Boost) with 8x Vega EUs. Typical builds would be around 20W to 70W (https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-the-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review/13 https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-t...). Its hard to beat a standard PC build in cost, flexibility, and performance. Ryzen 5 3500U laptops are under $600. Quite bad specs (as any other $600 laptop would be: 720p, Hard Drive, etc. etc), but yes they are available. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP8Z20670 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP8Z20... . The 3500U also is quad-core with 8x Vega EUs. For those with power and size restrictions, as well as the need for a long-term embedded solution... this R1000 SoC will fit their bill. Digital signage, Casino slot machines, etc. etc. -------- For those with supercomputing needs, Vega 64 and Radeon VII have 64x Vega execution units. Even a RX 580 GPU has 36x EUs (just ~$200).

rstuart4133 8y ago
This is not for laptops. Its a replacement for the GX-424CC SoC, which is used in things like this: https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet/fitlet-t/ https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet/fitlet-t/ I use them everywhere. User $400 sans HDD and RAM, fanless, under 30W total draw, can drive 2 HDMI, displays 2 Ethernet ports, WiFi, 8 x USB and a whole pile of other stuff that escapes me now, all driven by the SoC. 5 year warranty minimum, long term support, when I've returned one I was sent a new one no questions asked, Debian Stable just runs on it. Very similar to the cheap Chinese NUC clones you see on EBay and Amazon, but not quite so cheap and built to HP / Dell type server standards. Note the claim on that page: "outperforms IPC2 with Intel Core-i3 yet has 30% lower price". That may have been true, but it's and old chipset and it's not true any more. It still pisses all over what a couple of cloud VPS's can do, but it's painfully obvious when doing something like video transcending for security cameras. I've been waiting for since the announcement of the Zen arch. It's been a long while in coming, but that usually is the case for industrial SoC's.
prolepunk 8y ago
Thinkpad E485 seems like a nice little machine that satisfies my main requirement -- any kind of upgradability. Other than disappointing 720p camera and one USB 2.0 port (why not USB3???), everything else looks ok: * 14" 1080p IPS (is an option, which should be checked off) * Upgradable RAM (Up to 32GB) * 2.5" bay * Upgradable NVME (128GB standard option) * Weight 1.75Kg -- I can deal with that. Ultrabooks are ~1 kg. This seems reasonable.

benj111 8y ago

"Early adopters include Atari, which is using it for its VCS" Wasn't aware of this before! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_(2019_console) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_(2019_console)

phjesusthatguy3 8y ago
I wouldn't get your hopes up. The Register (I know people have opinions about The Register) reported on Atari's press reveal last year[0] and the VCS wasn't actually a thing. So Atari tried to call them out on it, and they posted their recordings of the event. I personally don't need another TV-connected video game system, and I did enjoy my playthrough of Alone in the Dark (Infogrames is calling themselves Atari these days) but I'm not buying one. [0]https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/atari_lempty_box/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/atari_lempty_box/ [1]https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/21/atari_interview_in_full/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/21/atari_interview_in_...
rasz 8y ago
Its a scam, https://cupodcast.podbean.com/ https://cupodcast.podbean.com/ has been covering it for 2 years now.

ac29 8y ago

I wonder if pc-engines will come out with a new board based on this. The APU platform is getting a bit long in the tooth.

tatersolid 8y ago
The real cost for 10GbE is the switches. Even the cheapest NeatGear supporting 10GBASE-T is like $2600
MisterTea 8y ago
I asked Pascal Dornier about the V1000 and was told that the TDP of the newer SoC's is well outside of the cooling capacity of the standard APU case so it's a no-go. The current APU2 g SoC TDP is 6.5W where as the V/R SoC's start at 12W. I also asked about a version with audio, video and socketed ram and was again told no. The reasons were A. little demand and the market is already saturated, B. Socketed RAM is not as easy to implement as you think, C. HDMI licensing is expensive for a small company, D. AMD does not give them good support.

floatboth 8y ago

> dual quad-threaded cores ooh, is that the first SMT4 on an amd64 processor?

aristophenes 8y ago
I think that was an awkward way to say a 2 core, 4 thread CPU. IE 2 threads per core. https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2019-04-16-amd-expands-embedded-product-family-adds-design-wins-and-customers-new https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2019-04-16-amd-expands...