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That's all correct, the higher frequency suffers from worse object penetration. Solutions I've heard was that 5G would likely involve neighborhood or even build
by penagwin 8y ago
That's all correct, the higher frequency suffers from worse object penetration. Solutions I've heard was that 5G would likely involve neighborhood or even building repeaters.
IMO 5G is massively overhyped. My iPhone 7+ isn't limited by 4G LTE, it's limited by Verizon deciding to only allow it 10mbps down (with great signal). 5G won't matter one bit if the current bottleneck isn't 4G LTE in the first place.
- opencl 8y agoIs Verizon really that bad? I usually get around 100mbps on TMobile LTE.
- penagwin 8y agoThat's with their rate limiting to fast.com (Netflix). Speedtest.net (with Verizon hosted servers) was at a very consistent 50mbps/4.5mbps which would make sense for my unlimited plan. Please note that speedtest.net is REALLY not a good representation of real world network usage, and I don't just mean like how they throttle netflix. They get to host the server in-network as well as full traffic shaping to get those juicy benchmark numbers.
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- tjoff 8y agoWell, seems like exactly the test you would want if you are testing the 4G network or your phone. Lack of competition and sensible operators isn't 4Gs fault...
- mikeash 8y agoCell capacity is a shared resource. The reason (or part of it) that Verizon limits your speed is to let others use it too. 5G brings smaller cells and more capacity in each cell, which means less need to throttle.
- ummonk 8y agoThey'd have to upgrade the backhaul too though to take advantage of 5G capacity.
- mikeash 8y agoI’m sure they would. For all the faults of telecoms companies, they generally don’t like spending a massive amount of money on upgrades that do nothing.
- udwum 8y agoIt does something, it makes your mobile say 5G on the top. That's worth paying more money for some people.
- penagwin 8y agoThey love to when customers pay for it! ;) They spend massive amounts of money on marketing, at that doesn't benefit the product at all.
- JohnFen 8y agoBeing able to charge customers more for their service would absolutely count as "doing something".
- module0000 8y ago>> They'd have to upgrade the backhaul too though to take advantage of 5G capacity. THIS!!! Even if more sites are added, each with their own 10/100gb fiber run - it's still running to the main circuit for a region. That circuit isn't changing(in the near term), this will just consume more of it. Regions without colossal backbone access that are already bandwidth constrained will remain bandwidth constrained.
- SkyPuncher 8y ago> My iPhone 7+ isn't limited by 4G LTE, it's limited by Verizon deciding to only allow it 10mbps down (with great signal) This is in fact a limitation of 4G. A single device is fine, but there is only so much bandwidth available. When you get lots of devices in the same area, something has to be limited.
- rocqua 8y agoSmaller cells allow for fewer devices per tower, does it not?
- tedunangst 8y agoUnfortunately, the density of people who don't want towers "too close to me" means we need bigger towers farther apart.
- rocqua 8y agoSmaller cells require lower signal power to prevent nearby cells from interfering.
- dzhiurgis 8y agoThat seems to be american thing. Most countries I’ve lived easily get 100mbps.
- AnssiH 8y agoYeah, in especially good conditions you can get over 800Mbps on a Galaxy S10 over here (e.g. https://bbs.io-tech.fi/threads/nettiliittymaesi-taemaenhetkinen-nopeus-keskustelua.2994/page-40#post-4773590 https://bbs.io-tech.fi/threads/nettiliittymaesi-taemaenhetki...), and over 100Mbps is normal.
- isoprophlex 8y ago> building repeaters so... sorta like a WiFi access point?
- ip26 8y agoYeah, my thought exactly. People like to talk about how 5G will eliminate the need for wired internet because there will be 5G stations on every block, even on every building! I don't know if they simply assume it will be wirelessly repeated or they just haven't really thought about it too hard.
- rocqua 8y agoThe main value of 5G as opposed to WiFi is that it comes with an entire system for roaming over different networks. WiFi has no built-in system for authentication across different operators, no system for accounting usage, no system for ensuring trust. This is what 3gpp brings. Their systems are hopelessly convoluted, and have some issues. However, it works.
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- darkpuma 8y ago> "building repeaters" In other words glorified wifi, except the AP is no longer owned or controlled by me.