Jesus. I qualified my statements over the last two responses. Can you move on already? I would also appreciate if you didn't continue to distort my position by

Jesus. I qualified my statements over the last two responses. Can you move on already? I would also appreciate if you didn't continue to distort my position by attributing quotes or phrasing to me that I didn't argue, and I don't believe. >I think a better description is that you 'sidetracked' the conversation, while I tried to steer it back to the main thread. Fine. But we have no actual disagreement about there not being a lack of supply of scientists and even engineers. I conceded that point, though 'concede' is too strong of a statement because I never argued otherwise. I live in a university town and half the people in my social circle are some form of PostDoc or PhD student/grad in the sciences. I can see how hard it is for a Math PhD to get a tenure-track position. >(I later provide a couple of links to IEEE-hosted articles which concur with what we are saying. Furthermore, you now agree that there is 'no shortage of science majors', which is the S of STEM.) It wasn't that I disbelieved IEEE, but rather it was an expression of surprise that a IEEE would issue a nonsense statement like that. But I said that already, and you won't leave it alone. How many more times do I have to explain what I meant without your gas-lighting? >If it's so obvious that the thread switched away from STEM onto CS, then why did both bloomer and I get confused? And after the tedious clarification - what's your excuse now? >FWIW, and not that it makes any difference, but: I understand the word 'bootcamp' is used, but those 'bootcamps' are not there to train professional physicists or engineers. They are summer camps for students to get excited about the respective professions. But you know that, so why would you purposely be engaging in this equivocation? Why even bring it up as a point when you know it's red-herring. I ask seriously. I made a point that there are no weeks-long courses to get you to be a professional scientist, and you went ahead and googled it, found programs for students which are nothing like programming bootcamps but you still decided to post that. >There are bootcamps for physicians, but they are for practicing physicians to get training in a specific topic. So nothing like bootcamps I referenced. Just like the other 'bootcamps' you used as a counter-example.