I'm kind of baffled you never got back to the first statement I made. It's like you got totally lost in your mission to prove that Swift sucks. I never claimed

I'm kind of baffled you never got back to the first statement I made. It's like you got totally lost in your mission to prove that Swift sucks. I never claimed magic performance in Swift, I said ARC might be slower but it's a lot more predictable with a better minimum performance. The only thing I see is "here's a ton of text and video to slough through made by people smarter than me", nothing concrete that undermines my original statement in any way. And yes C++ cannot exist without C as it is an extension to C. You can write pure C in a C++ file and it will still work. You can write pure C in an Objective-C file and it will still work. You can write some ugly bastard syntax version of C in Swift and it will still work. I'm very much willing to accept Swift's performance for a device driver (possibly the first device driver ever written in Swift) is worse than in many other languages if you stick to the safe bits of Swift. It just doesn't have much to do with what I wrote.